Riding the "Gas" Elevator

[Norcal_73]

I am going to go nuts with big oil and their record quarterly profits. For many of us the hourly wage has been the same or near, over the past few years. Cost of living has been on big increases, thanks to gas, diesel, oil based, etc. Why hasnt Hydrogen been pushed more? Just saw a supercharged ford V-8 that runs on Hydrogen in a magazine. Had good numbers on torque and hp. I see all the auto companies have prototypes running around on the H. Any ideas? I guess it takes a rich person to start the fueling stations then things would fall into place. Dominos.

[eball429]

I hear ya buddy; gas and energy prices are nuts! I don't know why more people aren't running propane. My wife's grandfather runs propane in an old farm truck and I believe it's costing him about half the price gas and gets mileage comparable to gas. How about natural gas? If it's a supply and demand thing then we should split up the country into regions that each run a different type of fuel; Ethanol and Methanol for the warmer climates, gasoline for the east coast, electric for the west coast :), propane for the northern states, natural gas for the Northeast and Nitro for my area :D Supply would no longer be an issue. I think the reality of it is that a lot of people are getting very rich off the current fuel and energy situation and we keep filling their retirement accounts. It's time to get creative on your own and maybe some of it will rub off.

Eric

[Norcal_73]

25% of my income monthly goes to gas right now. Hope something comes together within the year.

[hydroguy]

I'm going to go out on a limb here :rolleyes: I predicted to my family and anybody else that would listen when gas was $2.50 that it was going to go to 5 bucks per soon. Diesel is now 4 bucks and I can pretty much guarantee that it's not going to get better or stay the same. Gas companies have record profits and if you think they are going to give them up for the common folks guess again. their bottom line is their bottom line and they care about nothing else. Lucky for me I live within a couple of miles of Dexter lake, home ground of the CDBA and don't have far to go. The associations better get togeather and come up with a good idea for racers that have to travel or the shoestring racer is going to be history and nobody but high dollar teams are going to be participating. :(

[RiverRacer]

You got that right, as it is my dually sits 99% of the time!...:mad:

[tboats52]

I hear ya buddy; gas and energy prices are nuts! I don't know why more people aren't running propane. My wife's grandfather runs propane in an old farm truck and I believe it's costing him about half the price gas and gets mileage comparable to gas. How about natural gas? If it's a supply and demand thing then we should split up the country into regions that each run a different type of fuel; Ethanol and Methanol for the warmer climates, gasoline for the east coast, electric for the west coast :), propane for the northern states, natural gas for the Northeast and Nitro for my area :D Supply would no longer be an issue. I think the reality of it is that a lot of people are getting very rich off the current fuel and energy situation and we keep filling their retirement accounts. It's time to get creative on your own and maybe some of it will rub off.

Eric


Just got back from a twice cross country trip and spoke with some propane field workers and they said we have never drilled and capped so many propane wells.(seems we got more of it that we can shake a stick at!). It seems they are quietly cornering the market on it until it becomes artificially scarce?? or in demand?? I'd just like to know who's zoomin who?? All I do know is every time these wall street boys start smiling we better sit down and cover up our flanks!! If you know what I mean.

[The Doctor]

It's little consolation but as hybrid cars become more commonplace, hydrogen cars become more plentiful and other alt fuels keep coming into the picture the big oil companies will lose their death grip on the world. Right now they are just gouging us prior to their demise.
Look a decade (or thereabouts) into the future where our dependence on fossil fuel is decreased. I say we will see the day, in our lifetimes, where the oil rich nations-especially in the Middle East where that's their only export game, will lose their stronghold on capital markets and I, for one will enjoy seeing the common people and peasants over-run all the lavish palaces and dethrone the aristocracy that have ruled their lives for centuries.
Only drawback is Armageddon will then begin . . .

[hydroguy]

I would have considered a hybrid but the price difference between a hybrid and economy car could not have been made up in the time the vehicle had 100K miles on it even at 5.00 per gal. Then there is the battery, ask a salesperson how much it is to replace one after the warrenty has run out, no thanks. Watch the acquisitions of the major oil companies, what they purchase in chemical companies etc is going to tell you what they think the future fuel will be. :eek: :eek:

[wagspe208]

I have had enough also. I am no tree hugger by any means. I parked the gas dually and bought a diesel. It gets almost double the mileage. I am fortunate to have a company service truck, so gas does not come out of my pocket. I feel for all who pay to commute every day.
Gee...I wonder why the economy is "slowing down". Well, first..it has to because of fuel prices...and second..americans should quit living beyond their means. If you cannot afford something..I have a crazy idea..save for it. Don't go get another credit carsd, then bitch when the payments are raised.
Wait..I got off track. LOL
I started making my own biodiesel. It isn't very hard. It costs me a couple of hours for 30 gallons of fuel. It is probably costing less than 1.00 a gallon to brew. I actually have people wanting to buy it from me. I WILL NOT sell it because of the tax deal. I figure the feds would bust me for selling fuel and not giving them their cut. It is not worth it. I make enough for me to use to get to races, etc.
And for all those that say the prices are all King George's fault...the Democrats are not making any bitches about prices either. One party is as bad as the other. You would thiunk the Dems would run with the fuel cost thing. Instead they are woerried about me paying for everyones mortgage when they cannot because they didn't know ARM meant ADJUSTABLE.
Soapbox over.
It just pisses me off. What happened to the gov wrking for us. I know that is a joke.
What happened to personal responsibility?
What happened to Pride?
What happened to respect for oneself, others, country?
What happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?

[tboats52]

I hear ya buddy; gas and energy prices are nuts! I don't know why more people aren't running propane. My wife's grandfather runs propane in an old farm truck and I believe it's costing him about half the price gas and gets mileage comparable to gas. How about natural gas? If it's a supply and demand thing then we should split up the country into regions that each run a different type of fuel; Ethanol and Methanol for the warmer climates, gasoline for the east coast, electric for the west coast :), propane for the northern states, natural gas for the Northeast and Nitro for my area :D Supply would no longer be an issue. I think the reality of it is that a lot of people are getting very rich off the current fuel and energy situation and we keep filling their retirement accounts. It's time to get creative on your own and maybe some of it will rub off.

Eric

I have had enough also. I am no tree hugger by any means. I parked the gas dually and bought a diesel. It gets almost double the mileage. I am fortunate to have a company service truck, so gas does not come out of my pocket. I feel for all who pay to commute every day.
Gee...I wonder why the economy is "slowing down". Well, first..it has to because of fuel prices...and second..americans should quit living beyond their means. If you cannot afford something..I have a crazy idea..save for it. Don't go get another credit carsd, then bitch when the payments are raised.
Wait..I got off track. LOL
I started making my own biodiesel. It isn't very hard. It costs me a couple of hours for 30 gallons of fuel. It is probably costing less than 1.00 a gallon to brew. I actually have people wanting to buy it from me. I WILL NOT sell it because of the tax deal. I figure the feds would bust me for selling fuel and not giving them their cut. It is not worth it. I make enough for me to use to get to races, etc.
And for all those that say the prices are all King George's fault...the Democrats are not making any bitches about prices either. One party is as bad as the other. You would thiunk the Dems would run with the fuel cost thing. Instead they are woerried about me paying for everyones mortgage when they cannot because they didn't know ARM meant ADJUSTABLE.
Soapbox over.
It just pisses me off. What happened to the gov wrking for us. I know that is a joke.
What happened to personal responsibility?
What happened to Pride?
What happened to respect for oneself, others, country?
What happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?



I just spent about 3months hanging out in Laughlin, NV. and was wondering what all this talk of scary fuel prices was all about when all day long, day in and day out, every other vehicle coming into town and leaving town on the Old Needles Highway was a huge decked out motorhome usually pulling a 50k SUV??? I quess nobody told these people that gas was heading for $4.00 per gallon, or they just don't care. Come on people!!! The only F_ _K__G!! way we will ever get through to these fuel companies or Saudi Princes is to hit them where it hurts. We all need to bite the bullit and park the toys!! "If we don't buy they can't profit" We all talk like we are concerned but just go sit out on the highway and observe what we do to ourselves on any given weekend. We have all forgotten how to fight back. It ain't by voting for another political idiot!!(thief). It's doing it the old fashioned way. Sorry guys enough with the soapbox but I just couldn't help expressing what I have been observing here the last 3 months. Kinda makes ya think. Last thought? They got us by the balls because we let them.

[67 Wickens]

I would have considered a hybrid but the price difference between a hybrid and economy car could not have been made up in the time the vehicle had 100K miles on it even at 5.00 per gal. Then there is the battery, ask a salesperson how much it is to replace one after the warrenty has run out, no thanks. Watch the acquisitions of the major oil companies, what they purchase in chemical companies etc is going to tell you what they think the future fuel will be. :eek: :eek:

It's also funny how the Hybrids are marketed as "Better for the Environment"! This is completely false. Just in the Manufacturingand transporting of the batteries needed for the Hybrids put enough pollutants into the atmosphere that equals something like a million cars over a 5 year period. There was a program on Discovery about them... Not as beneficial as they state!

[67 Wickens]

I just got this from a friend too...

Who are we actually supporting?
Gas Could go as high as $4.50 this summer.
>>
>> WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE.
>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
>>
>> These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
>>
>> Shell................................... 205,742,000 barrels
>> Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
>> Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
>> Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels
>> Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels
>>
>> And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who
>> hates America and openly vows our economic destruction! (We pay
>> Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)
>>
>> The U.S. currently imp orts 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day
>> from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524
>> million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of
>> whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!
>>
>> Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>> Sunoco....................... 0 barrels
>> Conoco....................... 0 barrels
>> Sinclair. ...................... 0 barrels
>> BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
>> Hess......................................0 barrels
>> ARC0.............................0 barrels
>> Maverick...................... 0 barrels
>> Flying J. ............................ 0 barrels
>> Valero............................0 barrels My Fave, Texas Oil
>> All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of
>> Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil
>> and how much they are importing.

[RiverRacer]

Ya know what really makes my blood boil, is when you see an Exxon on one side of the street and a QT or Valero on the opposite side for $.15 cheaper but yet the Exxon is full!.. M*****F****N lazy bastards won't go across the street, but yet they're the ones that bitch the most while the oil companies laugh at them!...:mad::mad::mad:

[SonnyGlide]

awhile back there was a boycot on ppl. buying gas, they thought that if they didnt buy gas for 1day it would hurt the oil co. it didnt,
got a better idea:

just stop buying gas from the Co. that import middle east oil. this will pile up their inventories, < real fast, which will/should start a price war at the stations inorder to get rid of the gas on hand, and all the tankers that R N route, they have to pump it off, but if the refiners have a stock-pile of gas that WE wont buy< it will back up in a wk. or 2
it will eventualy go all the way back to wall street< where the speculators R buying up futures and holding'em to drive up the $$$
they say we have right now a huge supply of Inventory, they say it's about supply and demand< the supply is here, so what drives up the cost? Wall Street, and the greedy speculators that buy up millions of barrels, and then sell'em to the oil co.
just give it a moment to think about it. if we all just boycot the oil co. that import middle east oil, how ever long it takes, it will have an impact and send a message, that we can screw U back:cool:

[cjbuilder1]

In a perfect world the "we the people" concept works well. What we have now is $ and politically driven. But what if you could take your garbage and solid waste and convert it into Methane/Hydrogen/Electricity/and a construction material, use NO OIL, and solve the waste disposal and energy requirement issues. Imagine the ability to be able to produce the above components in a sustainable, clean, non-nuclear environment. Maybe--just check this out. It has my attention


www.greengeek.ca/2007/02/23/plasma-process

[RiverRacer]

There's only one problem$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, the oil conglomorates rule because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, look at Bush he's making tons of money along with his buddies, who can compete with that!. All this talk about alternative fuels has been going on for a long time and it's there all kinds of it, but do you think the $$$$$$$$$ conglomorates are going to allow it, no way!.. Just check into converting a vehicle over to Propane and see what the hassle is to do it and the cost it's rediculous, but over in Canada they don't have that problem and it's cheap as hell to convert!.. Another thing that pisses me off big time, we have ample supplies of oil just need to drill for it, but noooo the FKN tree huggers say no and that's the end of that, what I'd like to know is WTF do those scumbags have over the government that they can say shit and the government says how big a pile!...:mad::mad:

[wagspe208]

Hey Art...tell us how you really feel.
ROFL
Wags

[RiverRacer]

Hey Art...tell us how you really feel.
ROFL
Wags

That wouldn't be a good idea!..LOL..:D

[Norcal_73]

If that is true about trash made into fuel. What kind of smell would be emitting out of the tailpipes? haha. blah. yuk.


norcal

[RiverRacer]

If that is true about trash made into fuel. What kind of smell would be emitting out of the tailpipes? haha. blah. yuk.


norcal

That's funny!..:D

[cjbuilder1]

If bio-diesel from cooking oils smells like McDonald's--then it stands to reason that no one would be following you. The process referred to does not produce a liquid fuel but rather surplus electricity, and some combustible gases that could be dirverted to create even more electricity or power vehicles at some future time. Heck, my dad had Tom Swift and His Electric Runabout, and Buck Rodgers, and we ended up with the Prius and a man on the moon. The point is to take the pressure off petro so we can use it in our chosen form of recreation at an afforable price.

In the end, I will just suck it up at the pump 'cause I am going boating.

[Terrible toy]

Speaking of rich Arabs and the cubic yards of cash we're sending them. I was in Saticoy CA at Ken Duttweiler's shop dynoing my little 338 Comp motor. If he was not a friend from my boat racing days I would not have had a chance of getting time on his dyno. He is completely tied up building all aluminum twin turbo Gen IV Chevys at $100K a pop. They are being sent, six at a time, to rich individuals in Saudi Arabia to be used in weird miniature Bronco looking hill climb vehicles.

[RiverRacer]

Here's some interesting facts!..

TIPS ON PUMPING GAS

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..

Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,80 0,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storag e tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon, or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol, and other petroleum products plays an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that ev ery gallon is actually the exact amount.

Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirr ed up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money int o the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels

Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels

Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels

Marathon/Speedwa y... 117,740,000 barrels

Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
(oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel )

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..............0 barrels go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you.
Conoco.............0 barrels
Sinclair.............0 barrels
B P/Phillips........0 barrels
Hess..................0 barrels
ARCO...............0 barrels&nb sp;

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

[Norcal_73]

interesting tips.

[RiverRacer]

You really notice it out here in the summer, I always buy gas early in the morning but you don't want to let it sit otherwise you'll lose it later in the day when it overflows!..

[cjbuilder1]

You can bet I'll be giving this some serious consideration with diesel at $4+++ and gas not far behind. The fuel sources is great food for thought.

Thanks

[Terrible toy]

Art, is there anyway of knowing the source of fuel the independent stations sell? Also, what do you think of the quality. I don't buy from independent stations very often, but here the difference between major and independent diesel is getting close to a quarter. That's a difference of 8 or 9 bucks filling up my truck.

[RiverRacer]

Bill, it ain't like it used to be, gas is all garbage anymore no matter where you get it and it all comes from the same place. I used to drive by a terminal on my way into the yard and I'd see all these different rigs in line waiting to load up at the same ramp!. The thing to watch on the independents is how they are maintained, a lot of the sleezer joints have a lot of crap in the tanks, but the gas itself is all the same stuff, AKA=Skunk Piss:D

[SonnyGlide]

Racer , thanks for posting:)
now if we can only get the facts on Dick Cheney's secret enegery commission
report< the one Congress wants to look at:eek:
the devil is in the details

[RiverRacer]

Good luck with that, LOL..

[Norcal_73]

Shhhhhhh. Its a secret. Better stuff that monkey in your pocket.

[Terrible toy]

Bill, it ain't like it used to be, gas is all garbage anymore no matter where you get it and it all comes from the same place. I used to drive by a terminal on my way into the yard and I'd see all these different rigs in line waiting to load up at the same ramp!. The thing to watch on the independents is how they are maintained, a lot of the sleezer joints have a lot of crap in the tanks, but the gas itself is all the same stuff, AKA=Skunk Piss:D

So all those TV spots about TCP and clean valves is all advertising BS, I'm shocked.:eek::D As long as I'm picking your brain, why the big difference between diesel and gasoline prices. I was under the impression that diesel was easy to refine and that gas took much more processing.

[RiverRacer]

So all those TV spots about TCP and clean valves is all advertising BS, I'm shocked.:eek::D As long as I'm picking your brain, why the big difference between diesel and gasoline prices. I was under the impression that diesel was easy to refine and that gas took much more processing.

Can you spell "RIP OFF", diesel is garbage it's the bottom of the barrel and easy to process, that's why back in the day it was pennies to the dollar, now it's all political bullshit and greed!.. There's a new truck stop out here on I-10 by Hope, and on the sign there is two prices for diesel, one for autos and one for trucks(big rigs)and it's about $.20 difference(at least that's what it was a few months ago)and it's the truckers that pays more!..:mad:

[Terrible toy]

Greed in the oil business, no way.:rolleyes: When enough truckers can't feed their kids anymore things could get nasty.

Were you an independent or work for a company?

[RiverRacer]

Well, they did a shut down last week back east and did a protest run to the Capitol, don't know if anybody listened though!..:rolleyes:

I almost bought my own back in the 70's, but when deregulation came into play, I said screw it I just worked for a company after that, and not common carriers either, the best one(retirement job) was McDonnell Douglas but that went down the toilet back in 94, I'd a had my time in last year!..

[GR8WHITE]

Can you spell "RIP OFF", diesel is garbage it's the bottom of the barrel and easy to process, that's why back in the day it was pennies to the dollar, now it's all political bullshit and greed!.. There's a new truck stop out here on I-10 by Hope, and on the sign there is two prices for diesel, one for autos and one for trucks(big rigs)and it's about $.20 difference(at least that's what it was a few months ago)and it's the truckers that pays more!..:mad:

i saw diesel today at shell near my house on the way to work and they wanted $4.60 a gallon :eek: mother of god thats bad, even 91 was $4.03 :eek:

[Norcal_73]

Bought a crappy looking old 1989 honda civic now (34mpg). The truck is now just a boat hauler.

[GR8WHITE]

Bought a crappy looking old 1989 honda civic now (34mpg). The truck is now just a boat hauler.

I have a 2007 titan crew cab with a 8" lift on 35" tires, and it sits in the driveway 5-6 days a week and i have a 1991 honda crx hf that i drive the rest of the time that gets 47 mpg. my truck takes the quads out and the boat and the occasional trip to the restaurant for dinner.

[RiverRacer]

My dually sits 99% of the time anymore and I'm selling my beater, just picked up an old VW bug for tooling around, those are cool heck two weeks and the gas guage hasen't moved yet and it isn't stuck, lol, by now I would have used a whole tank in the truck!..

[ls6vdrive]

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[RiverRacer]

That's some funny $hit there!..:D:D