Mag question and a FI question too

[SnoC653]

Is there anything about running a mag as opposed to a dizzy that I should know? I bought one for the 440/512 build i'm working on. I figured less is better when dealing with electrical components to go wrong on a river boat. I'm sending the mag down to Tayler to have them go through it prior to sticking it on the motor or is that overkill? Not sure how they recharge a magnet anyways. And as if this mag stuff wasn't bad enough... now Art has me thinking maybe I should run FI on the tunnel ram:rolleyes: Bird catcher or Shotgun on a 512 mopar? Or a pair of 660s And I thought I knew what I was going to build when it started.

[hydroguy]

Bird Catcher :D

[RiverRacer]

Any hat will work, but if you want maximum driveabilty the old Crower 8 holer is the one to get(but try and find one)the next best is the Hilborn upright 4 holer!..

[hydroguy]

I think there is a Crower 8 on Epay /race junk, I can't remember which but he wants your first born for it. :eek:

It's Race Junk under Crower and he's asking $2250.00

[RiverRacer]

Wouldn't doubt it they are a needle in a hay stack anymore, I lucked out and got one for $600 but I have to rebuild it, but I'll still be ahead when I'm done!.. I bet Garlits has a few on his shelf though!..

[wizbang]

Dave Benjamin has the dwg and the program to make the "Crower" 8 port out of billet !!!!!!!!

425-760-9092

[RiverRacer]

WOW, that's gotta be cool, I can just imagine the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it takes to get one too!..:eek:

[FC-Pilot]

From the sound of it I don't think it could be much worse than what the originals cost.

Paul

[RiverRacer]

We're talkin "billet" and that means money, the original wasn't any more than any other deal, maybe you could still get one from Ron's I don't know!..

[wizbang]

I bought a chunk of plate at $ 280 to make one for Dave Hough ( Nanook Fuel Altered )

[RiverRacer]

WOW, that thing is still around??????, that's the old Supershops car ain't it??, I remember watching that run back in the County days!..... Only $280 huh, and you haven't even started,lol...:D

[gfinishline]

I missed something. You said "Super Shops Funny Car?" My neighbors back in Northridge WON that thing, way back. Is it still around?

[RiverRacer]

I missed something. You said "Super Shops Funny Car?" My neighbors back in Northridge WON that thing, way back. Is it still around?

No, "Nanook" the altered!...

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=859&stc=1&d=1218598355

[warpt71]

Thats not the Nanook that i remember? Im thinking older and Green and White? I have seen it several times at Bako-field.

[RiverRacer]

Thats not the Nanook that i remember? Im thinking older and Green and White? I have seen it several times at Bako-field.

Same car Ryan!...

Nanook! (http://www.mysterion.net/AAFA/nanook2.shtml)

[warpt71]

Shit! I learned something today lol :D :D Cool stuf

[RiverRacer]

Shit! I learned something today lol :D :D Cool stuf

Check the first page!.:D

[gfinishline]

Never mind, my neighbor won the S S's Funny Car. He was cool and his (20ish) daughter was hot. Fired it up in his driveway one time! SHOOK all the houses for about a mile around. "It was a NITRO earthquake". (it was really about 60/40 alcohol and nitro)

[RiverRacer]

Never mind, my neighbor won the S S's Funny Car. He was cool and his (20ish) daughter was hot. Fired it up in his driveway one time! SHOOK all the houses for about a mile around. "It was a NITRO earthquake". (it was really about 60/40 alcohol and nitro)

Would have loved to be there for that!..:D

[warpt71]

Check the first page!.:D

Already done! I think there is a clone of the ariginal all green one w/ the cartoon on the body that I have seen before too. I prefer the older stuf for some reason?

[RiverRacer]

Already done! I think there is a clone of the ariginal all green one w/ the cartoon on the body that I have seen before too. I prefer the older stuf for some reason?

Yes I do believe there is one, don't know what what happened to it though??..

[warpt71]

Im sure we have pictures of it some where?? We have been to all but 1 or 2 of the Hot Rod Reunions.

[RiverRacer]

Shit, I ain't been to one of those for ages, I need to go one of these times!..

[warpt71]

I remember going to the first one! I have the shirt to prove it too. We camped there in the pits and froze our asses off. The first one was in Nov. of '92 I want to say. Every year my Dad and I take a picture infront of the "tree". Always a blast!

[warpt71]

These are pictures from a few years ago, the only ones that I have. Dad has tons more!

Bako-field (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/warpt71/Bako-field/)

[RiverRacer]

Yep that's when it was, and it does get cold there. We used to be on the OCIR bracket track team and the big shootout was at Bako in September/October, and even then there a few times it got cold at night!..

[RiverRacer]

Cool pics, one of my favorites, Willies sure would love to have one!..

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=860&stc=1&d=1218602687

[FC-Pilot]

Cool pics, one of my favorites, Willies sure would love to have one!..

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=860&stc=1&d=1218602687

I saw this car at the Central Avenue cruise just after the car was finished. One of the guys who helped get it together went to school with my dad, so we talked to him for quite a while. It is a neat car.

Paul

[hydroguy]

Speaking of cruises, anybody remember the Wednesday nights on Van Nuys Blvd before they outlawed it? The cool cars at Bobs Big Boy?

[RiverRacer]

Speaking of cruises, anybody remember the Wednesday nights on Van Nuys Blvd before they outlawed it? The cool cars at Bobs Big Boy?

Remember it very well!..:D

[SnoC653]

WOW, that's gotta be cool, I can just imagine the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it takes to get one too!..:eek:

Well it really wouldn't be all that bad. I talked with Dave tonight. He is a very nice guy. He still hasn't finished the first one, as the guy that wanted it had changed his mind. From what he said it would cost somewhere around the same range as the ones previously mentioned. It's all Art's fault. I'm really wanting to go with injection now, and I'm leaning toward E85 to run in the thing. I'm going to check some of the local haunts for a used one, but don't be surprised if this motor winds up injected. The vertex mag is already on it's way here. Must be something about Iowa, I keep hearing little voices saying "If you build it, it will race." Now we just need a few more races here in the midwest.

[RiverRacer]

Well it really wouldn't be all that bad. I talked with Dave tonight. He is a very nice guy. He still hasn't finished the first one, as the guy that wanted it had changed his mind. From what he said it would cost somewhere around the same range as the ones previously mentioned. It's all Art's fault. I'm really wanting to go with injection now, and I'm leaning toward E85 to run in the thing. I'm going to check some of the local haunts for a used one, but don't be surprised if this motor winds up injected. The vertex mag is already on it's way here. Must be something about Iowa, I keep hearing little voices saying "If you build it, it will race." Now we just need a few more races here in the midwest.

Sure blame it on me, LOL, but if it's billet it's $$$$$$$$$$ ain't nothing made yet is cheap, unless he's giving it away!..What kind of unit are you looking for???...

[SnoC653]

He said he was making an almost exact copy of the Crower 8 hole and that it would run in the neighbor hood of $2000 to $2500 as a complete piece. That's just talking on the phone and I told him I wanted to look around locally first. He started to make one for someone else and they went a different direction so he never finished the programing. He works on FI and used to/still does race nostalga Funny Cars. I told him I was planning on running E85. I'm just looking for what will work and allow the boat to be drivable. I do need to be able to idle up to the lock and lock the boat with other boats.

[RiverRacer]

He said he was making an almost exact copy of the Crower 8 hole and that it would run in the neighbor hood of $2000 to $2500 as a complete piece. That's just talking on the phone and I told him I wanted to look around locally first. He started to make one for someone else and they went a different direction so he never finished the programing. He works on FI and used to/still does race nostalga Funny Cars. I told him I was planning on running E85.

That sounds good, but is this a complete setup flowed ready to bolt on and run????...

[SnoC653]

I'm thinking for that price it won't come with a pump either. But, it should have everything that sits on top of the manifold to include the lines and metering block. I'm not that familiar with the 8 hole unit so not sure what all I needed to ask about being included or not. I do know it is a lot more than a complete Birdcatcher system from Doug Herbert (those run $1311 for everything minus the pump and pump shaft).

[RiverRacer]

And I'll bet the scoop is not included either!. You can get a bird from Good Vibes for $1150 minus the pump!..

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=874&stc=1&d=1218726185

[Terrible toy]

Do you have to run port and hat nozzles on a "river" deal? I would think the hat nozzles are a ways away from the valves and could be a throttle response issue. Also, do you have to run the barrel valve as rich as you do in a race setup? All my experience with hat and IR injectors is in racing and I know to prime, start, leave hard and run down track was always a fine balance between the squirt bottle, jetting, barrel valve settings and high speed adjustments.

I'm know I'm being conservative and in the back of my mind thinking that a couple of 660s on that tunnel ram would run like Jack the Bear. But, it seems to me a boat that was starting and putting around a lot, at different atmospheric conditions especially, would be a miserable SOB with constant flow injectors.:rolleyes:

[SnoC653]

I have been searching around on the web some and have seen the injectors both at the hat and down on the runners near the bottom. My first thought was carbs and I even bought a pair of old style velocity stack air cleaners for them, but FI just has such a pull towards it. It could go back to the fact that as a kid all the really fast boats were injected running alcohol (circle hydroplanes). I'm also definately leaning towards running the boat on E85 now also. If the boat is unruley to manuver with injection, I'll have to go carbs. When I take it though the locks you have to manuver with other boats and maybe even a barge. Might be giving this yet another rethink.

[Carnivalride]

Do you have to run port and hat nozzles on a "river" deal? I would think the hat nozzles are a ways away from the valves and could be a throttle response issue. Also, do you have to run the barrel valve as rich as you do in a race setup? All my experience with hat and IR injectors is in racing and I know to prime, start, leave hard and run down track was always a fine balance between the squirt bottle, jetting, barrel valve settings and high speed adjustments.

I'm know I'm being conservative and in the back of my mind thinking that a couple of 660s on that tunnel ram would run like Jack the Bear. But, it seems to me a boat that was starting and putting around a lot, at different atmospheric conditions especially, would be a miserable SOB with constant flow injectors.:rolleyes:

TT you think like I did, I was thinking about running hat injection on my tunnel ram but heard a lot of bad reviews on the mid range cruising and driveability. Went ahead and stuck a couple of carbs on it after all so I don't know if injection would work or not.

[Carnivalride]

SnoC653,

I left a reply to your E85 vs 93 pump gas over on PB.

[SnoC653]

SnoC653,

I left a reply to your E85 vs 93 pump gas over on PB.

I've been looking at the links you posted. I try not to post the same question on both forms. I like general discussions on that site, but for specific questions and to the point replies I like to get my answers here. PB does have a slight knowlege advantage if i'm asking questions about the pump boat. But, over all we get a lot more factual knowlege here (imho). Of course we might be catching up on the pump knowlege now that Art has one. ;) Are the injected TRs that unruley at slow to mid operating speeds?

[Carnivalride]

I've been looking at the links you posted. I try not to post the same question on both forms. I like general discussions on that site, but for specific questions and to the point replies I like to get my answers here. PB does have a slight knowlege advantage if i'm asking questions about the pump boat. But, over all we get a lot more factual knowlege here (imho). Of course we might be catching up on the pump knowlege now that Art has one. ;) Are the injected TRs that unruley at slow to mid operating speeds?

I understand I feel the technical knowledge is better here as well.

I never personally have driven a tunnel ram with the hat injection. When I had asked a few racers that were running that set up they said the same thing, not good for laking so I didn't try it. How 'unruly' is one of those personal preference things. I can live with my boats manners, my wife thinks it needs to be 'tamed' down a bit more but she can start it and drive it.

[RiverRacer]

Do you have to run port and hat nozzles on a "river" deal? I would think the hat nozzles are a ways away from the valves and could be a throttle response issue. Also, do you have to run the barrel valve as rich as you do in a race setup? All my experience with hat and IR injectors is in racing and I know to prime, start, leave hard and run down track was always a fine balance between the squirt bottle, jetting, barrel valve settings and high speed adjustments.

I'm know I'm being conservative and in the back of my mind thinking that a couple of 660s on that tunnel ram would run like Jack the Bear. But, it seems to me a boat that was starting and putting around a lot, at different atmospheric conditions especially, would be a miserable SOB with constant flow injectors.:rolleyes:

Bill, on a tunelram with a hat the nozzles have to be on the bottom no matter what, it won't run with the nozzles in the hat!. All the hat does is control the air, it's just like any other injection system!. A buddy of mine a long time ago used a set of junk Dominators on a tunelram, all that was functional was the throttle plates, it was badass too and the way he set it up you had to take a close look or you wouldn't know it was injected!... Anyone says they won't work on a lake boat don't know about injection, and then blame it on the injectors!...

[RiverRacer]

Of course we might be catching up on the pump knowlege now that Art has one.
Hey, watch that $hit mofo!..:D:D:D

Are the injected TRs that unruley at slow to mid operating speeds
NO!...:D

[SnoC653]

So let's see if I'm understanding what you're saying. If the injectors are down low on the runners it should have decent manors. If I do drill and tap the runners for the injectors would I need the crower 8 hole or would the bird catcher type hat work? Oh and since I'm paying extra close attention.... I'm watching it ;) I know we all have to do what we have to do to play with our v-drives and not rush them unnecisarily. I'm thinking if this engine turns out how I want it to, it may find a new home in the stevens when it's finished. I know, way more motor than the Stevens needs, but that will lead to a newer flat for the motor and I'm not going there until I get these two finished. Or I find a deal I can't pass up.:rolleyes:

[RiverRacer]

On a tunelram the nozzles have to be on the bottom period, you can use anything you want on the top all it does is control the air flow!. The most driveable unit is the Crower 8 holer, but the Hilborn upright 4 holer is an excellent one also and much easier to find used. The Enderle works also but is more touchy, takes a while to get used to it!..

[Terrible toy]

Bill, on a tunelram with a hat the nozzles have to be on the bottom no matter what, it won't run with the nozzles in the hat!. All the hat does is control the air, it's just like any other injection system!. A buddy of mine a long time ago used a set of junk Dominators on a tunelram, all that was functional was the throttle plates, it was badass too and the way he set it up you had to take a close look or you wouldn't know it was injected!... Anyone says they won't work on a lake boat don't know about injection, and then blame it on the injectors!...

I figured you could read the LA times cover to cover before the fuel got from hat nozzels to the valves.:rolleyes:

Well Art, I have to respectively disagree about injected lake boats. Now, I've got to qualify my definition of a lake boat so we are on the same page. I'm thinking of a typical family flat that you pull skiers and cruise with. Not one of those "I'm the fastest boat on the lake" types. I also have to qualify this response by saying that I'm basing my opinion on race only experience.

I just think that a constant flow injected lake boat (see my definition of a lake boat) would be a PITA, especially if you were boating on water at widely differing altitudes. You could do without high speeds in a lake boat, that would simplify things. But, the major drawback I think would be the barrel valve settings. You well know they have to be fat to get a boat to leave. So any idling around, like picking up skiers or putting through a marina is going to load the motor up. I always had verneer fuel shut offs on injected drag boats so I could finely lean out the engine on the holding rope. That did two things, put heat in the motor and kept the plugs clean.

I just happen to think the hassle benefit ratio crosses with fuel injected lake boats.:D:D

[gfinishline]

A longer lever on the hat will cure most "low speed control" problems. (along with a good tuneup) The lever that comes on the hat goes WOT very quickly, just make a longer lever and "enjoy the ride". NEVER change or move lever that goes to the barrel valve! Turnbuckle adjustments only, after having been flowed. The lever I'm talking about is the one attached to the throttle cable. Guys drive HAT injected blown cars on the street, why no control for 'ski boats'?

[RiverRacer]

I figured you could read the LA times cover to cover before the fuel got from hat nozzels to the valves.

Well Art, I have to respectively disagree about injected lake boats. Now, I've got to qualify my definition of a lake boat so we are on the same page. I'm thinking of a typical family flat that you pull skiers and cruise with. Not one of those "I'm the fastest boat on the lake" types. I also have to qualify this response by saying that I'm basing my opinion on race only experience.

I just think that a constant flow injected lake boat (see my definition of a lake boat) would be a PITA, especially if you were boating on water at widely differing altitudes. You could do without high speeds in a lake boat, that would simplify things. But, the major drawback I think would be the barrel valve settings. You well know they have to be fat to get a boat to leave. So any idling around, like picking up skiers or putting through a marina is going to load the motor up. I always had verneer fuel shut offs on injected drag boats so I could finely lean out the engine on the holding rope. That did two things, put heat in the motor and kept the plugs clean.

I just happen to think the hassle benefit ratio crosses with fuel injected lake boats.:D:D

Well Bill, guess you never had an injected lake boat, LOL, I pulled skiers and kids on the tube all day long, and I've cruised from dam to dam at Parker at 2500rpm with a 670 lift 268dur@.050 can and no loading up at all, tap the throttle anytime and blow the boat out of the water!.. And the theory of having the barrel valve super fat to get the boat to leave is BS IMO, all you need is enough to cover the hole when you stand on it, same as you would adjust the squirters on carbs, and it don't make no difference wether it's a stack deal or tunnelram deal, still injectors!... Wish I still had my Daytona I'd take ya for a ride and you could see for yourself how good they work!..:D

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=914&stc=1&d=1218859354

[Florida Inboards]

Whats with the kid holding the Flag??

[socal_wrench]

Hey Art I Stole Your Picture for my personal Album(Hard Drive)
That reminds me of the late 70's at the river with my dad.I Was young(Like 3-4).
I Think he had the same Haircut:eek:

[RiverRacer]

Whats with the kid holding the Flag??

What kid?:confused: That's my buddy's wife pushing 30, he's at the end of the rope getting ready for a ski run!..:D

[RiverRacer]

Hey Art I Stole Your Picture for my personal Album(Hard Drive)
That reminds me of the late 70's at the river with my dad.I Was young(Like 3-4).
I Think he had the same Haircut:eek:

Wow I'm flattered, LOL, that pic was taken in the late 70's!.:D

[RiverRacer]

A couple of more for ya!..:D

Taking my buddy's wife for a putt!. My wife was taking the pics!.

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=915&stc=1&d=1218897307

Some guy in a ditch pump kept shooting his mouth off, it was time to go put an end to that!..:D

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=916&stc=1&d=1218897425

[socal_wrench]

I Would have been a little younger than the boy in the last pic when Pops Sold the boat and his CZ650 And his hauler truck to Their house in Alta Loma.

[Terrible toy]

[QUOTE=RiverRacer;10424]Well Bill, guess you never had an injected lake boat, LOL, I pulled skiers and kids on the tube all day long, and I've cruised from dam to dam at Parker at 2500rpm with a 670 lift 268dur@.050 can and no loading up at all, tap the throttle anytime and blow the boat out of the water!.. And the theory of having the barrel valve super fat to get the boat to leave is BS IMO, all you need is enough to cover the hole when you stand on it, same as you would adjust the squirters on carbs, and it don't make no difference wether it's a stack deal or tunnelram deal, still injectors!... Wish I still had my Daytona I'd take ya for a ride and you could see for yourself how good they work!..:D

OK, OK, a really good tuner and mechanic can get an injected engine, with zoomies no less, to pull skiers and cruise around without clouds of black smoke. What about the other 97% of boat owners.:D:D

Isn't that the boat you ran in NJBA?

[RiverRacer]

[QUOTE=RiverRacer;10424]Well Bill, guess you never had an injected lake boat, LOL, I pulled skiers and kids on the tube all day long, and I've cruised from dam to dam at Parker at 2500rpm with a 670 lift 268dur@.050 can and no loading up at all, tap the throttle anytime and blow the boat out of the water!.. And the theory of having the barrel valve super fat to get the boat to leave is BS IMO, all you need is enough to cover the hole when you stand on it, same as you would adjust the squirters on carbs, and it don't make no difference wether it's a stack deal or tunnelram deal, still injectors!... Wish I still had my Daytona I'd take ya for a ride and you could see for yourself how good they work!..:D

OK, OK, a really good tuner and mechanic can get an injected engine, with zoomies no less, to pull skiers and cruise around without clouds of black smoke. What about the other 97% of boat owners.:D:D...

Isn't that the boat you ran in NJBA?

A good tuner, now that's funny I didn't know shit at that time(not that I know much now)I just had a good teacher, LOL!.. The zoomies were borrowed because my buddy would always try to pass me and burn the rope on the headers even with a chunk of hose on it, but they came off real quick talk about a dump in torque and power, zoomies are for a blown motor,LOL...Yep that's the one I ran NJBA with, did double duty for a while, two motors one for the lake and one for racing, after two seasons of switching every couple of weeks that was enough of that shit, that's when I got the Beyers!..:D

[RiverRacer]

Here's a nice 10 holer, wish this would have came up before I picked up the 8!.:rolleyes:

Crower! (http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1284655/fuel-injection.html)

[AzMandella]

Bill, on a tunelram with a hat the nozzles have to be on the bottom no matter what, it won't run with the nozzles in the hat!. All the hat does is control the air, it's just like any other injection system!. A buddy of mine a long time ago used a set of junk Dominators on a tunelram, all that was functional was the throttle plates, it was badass too and the way he set it up you had to take a close look or you wouldn't know it was injected!... Anyone says they won't work on a lake boat don't know about injection, and then blame it on the injectors!...

So why not get a couple of Ron's "Terminator" throttle bodies on a tunnel. That's what I am thinking about for the new motor in the near future.

[socal_wrench]

Or you can pick this up and have an extra boat and injectionhttp://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/798285616.html

:D:D

[RiverRacer]

Or you can pick this up and have an extra boat and injectionhttp://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/798285616.html

:D:D

Could be a good deal, they're not Crowers though!..

[RiverRacer]

So why not get a couple of Ron's "Terminator" throttle bodies on a tunnel. That's what I am thinking about for the new motor in the near future.

Those will work too, pricey as hell though!..:eek:

[AzMandella]

Those will work too, pricey as hell though!..:eek:

Well if he's looking at a few thousand for a billet custom made stack injection and the Terminators come with Billet Throttle Body
Nozzles
Barrel Valve
Black Gear Fuel Pump And Drive
Fuel Filter
10 Pill Assortment
48” Shut-Off Cable


Singles from $2047.00
Duals from $2895.00

1051 Single Terminator 1150 cfm kit
1055 Single Terminator 1475 cfm kit
1060 Single Terminator 2100 cfm kit
1052 Dual Terminator 2300 cfm kit
1056 Dual Terminator 2950 cfm kit
1061 Dual Terminator 4200 cfm kit

[RiverRacer]

Well if he's looking at a few thousand for a billet custom made stack injection and the Terminators come with Billet Throttle Body
Nozzles
Barrel Valve
Black Gear Fuel Pump And Drive
Fuel Filter
10 Pill Assortment
48” Shut-Off Cable


Singles from $2047.00
Duals from $2895.00

1051 Single Terminator 1150 cfm kit
1055 Single Terminator 1475 cfm kit
1060 Single Terminator 2100 cfm kit
1052 Dual Terminator 2300 cfm kit
1056 Dual Terminator 2950 cfm kit
1061 Dual Terminator 4200 cfm kit

Well ya, comparing to that billet deal, but if I ever get to put mine together I figure by the time I'm done I'll only have about $900 into the whole works, and it will brand new!..

[SnoC653]

Here's a nice 10 holer, wish this would have came up before I picked up the 8!.:rolleyes:

Crower! (http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1284655/fuel-injection.html)

So, if I was to put this on the tunnel ram would I have to relocate the injectors down to the runners still? The price seems really good on this one. The double throtle body would be a possibility if it would provide the driveability and the performance (tuneability/hp/ease of tuning) of a more traditional injection setup.

[RiverRacer]

So, if I was to put this on the tunnel ram would I have to relocate the injectors down to the runners still? The price seems really good on this one. The double throtle body would be a possibility if it would provide the driveability and the performance (tuneability/hp/ease of tuning) of a more traditional injection setup.

Yes, you'd have to move them down on the runners, not a big deal just make up some lines, now if you were to run gas you would have to get different nozzles and a gas spool for the barrel valve, and pills of course!...

[Mike Kurth]

You guys are funny, Give Gene Adams a call, he can and will set up a set of hilborns or ??? and make it run way better than any carbs. I have used his hilborn 4 port tall on my blown injected 392 for many years, trouble free. Stop screwing around with the 660's, etc, ( I have a pair for sale). there is no comparison. Extremely drivable once you learn how to start it. He does a check valve in the system to make you only have to use the squirt bottle on the frist start of the day if you have a shut off valve on the dash.

Give me a blast and I will give you his number. He is the Man !!!!

Mike

[RiverRacer]

You guys are funny

Really!.........

you only have to use the squirt bottle on the frist start of the day

WHY!............

[Mike Kurth]

The check valve keeps the gas in the system from the sugre tank and does not allow it to run back. Surge tank needs to be higher than the hilborn pump. I have had mine built in my ski tow bracket with two holly float bowls to limit the amount that the two electric pumps flow to it. it is really trick would send pics if I could find out how to do so. Has been bullet proof for many years unless you do a dumb thing like I did at Parker and made a WFO pass with the pumps turned off. Burnt 7 pistons , banged the blower and cost me a new bullet. Will not make that mistake again !!!!!

Mike

[RiverRacer]

So, WHY the squirt bottle????????????????...........

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=1549&stc=1&d=1226723723

[Mike Kurth]

To start it on the first time to get the fuel into the lines.

[RiverRacer]

Fill the tank and it's there!..:rolleyes:

[Mike Kurth]

For my application it was just easier to start it that way. Less cranking on the starter.

[RiverRacer]

First time, I turn the mag on by the time oil pressure builds up it fires, after that is just barely a touch of the button to start!...

[Mike Kurth]

The pic looks like a very clean set up. Are you running a mechanical pump to your tank ? If so does it flow enough to keep the injector pump going ( it must). After the inital start up, all I need to do is to push in the fuel shut off half way and it lights quick. Could the fact that I am running a blower make any difference in the starting ?? Even though it seems like you have yours dialed in better, mine has been trouble free in pulling wakeboarders, and going 6500, as well as driving all over the river at Parker, Lake Shasta, and Whiskeytown here in No Cal. I was only doing what Uncle Gene told me to do !!!!

Mike

[RiverRacer]

Thanks, yep it pumps more than enough and it has a return to the main tank, I have a Ken Lowe valve that keeps the fuel at the nozzles, I can pull skiers or kids in the tube all day and idle around all I want and it's clean at all times!.. Injection is injection, it don't know the difference between a blower and N/A!.... Gene Adams= Unblown Nytro dragster, garden hose and a gate valve!...........

[Mike Kurth]

Sounds like you have the injection system sorted out for your application. Would like to be able to run a mech pump as I do on my blown BBC Hallett POS. But I can't with the 392". Am not sure about your last comment ie. "garden hose and gate valve". ?? I thinks a gate valve (shut off ,is necessary for injection, do you disagree ??) And by the way Gene does lots of stuff that is not the unblown nitro applications.

Mike

[shan]

No, "Nanook" the altered!...

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=859&stc=1&d=1218598355

That picture looks like it was taken at Tucson Dragway during the Fuel Altered Nationals. I went every year when I was a kid.:D

[RiverRacer]

That picture looks like it was taken at Tucson Dragway during the Fuel Altered Nationals. I went every year when I was a kid.:D

I think you're right!..