New puke tank

[wizbang]

Just wanted to show it off !

[boatpoor]

Looks cool, good size for the low location. May pick up a lot of blowby. Got any more pics of the boat?

[RiverRacer]

Sweet!..:cool:

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=856&d=1218505320

[gfinishline]

I think I like the tank forward of the motor on 'enduro stuff' and just mounted "high up" or "forward" on drag stuff. Gravity and inertia can do great things with oil.

[wizbang]

http://tribalthunderracing.com/ pics are here.

I have learned the hard way, that they like big lines and then there isn't much in the air unless the motor is a little tired :)

[RiverRacer]

Nice!..:cool:

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=858&stc=1&d=1218551797

[hydroguy]

I have to say it again, "those K boats are nice" I like em!

[RiverRacer]

Me thinks you need to get one!..:D

[Wannabe]

Pontiac 427 heads will make more power than most Biesemeyers want without a blower! Then you supercharge it! And with that many inches!!!
You are INSANE!!!!

I love it!:eek::eek:

[shooter2]

I have driven Beismeyer type boats, both wide and narrow, with ss power and Can Am power. The acceleration is incredible, and violent. I can only imagine what it is like to drive a K. IMHO I would never drive a K unless I was in a capsule. I think Bode said it best when he said "He was tired of being a sucide pilot". But I would also never tell anybody they had to be in a capsule either. And for the record that K is awsome checked out there web site last night.

Brian

[hydroguy]

Oh man! Now I NEED one.

[Wannabe]

That boat has a really nice set in that last video.
So, are you Charlie? I remember meeting you back when you were driving for Bement at Firebird a few years back.
And if you haven't met Charlie, that is a K-boat that Paul or I could fit into.

But sorry, I wouldn't get into a boat with a blown 427 headed deal. I think I would feel safer on fire at 200mph with no visibility and the brakes boiling on all four wheels. But the injected pictures of the 427 deal looks really familiar. I wonder where I have seen something like that before?

[wizbang]

I'm Brian, I just help Charlie on the boat. I supply the engines and he and I are the ones that built it. Long story really. His dad is the one that originally got this boat ( purple, now orange), the red boat ( Outlaw), and his own green boat ( KMotion ) in 1976. He hauled all three up here and built them. This boat had never been wet. The guy that bought it, Bob Kent, never got to finish it. It had been assembled with 1/4" bolts all over and a blown 392 Hemi. Just never actually finished. Bob worked Charlie and I a deal on it in the fall of 2002. So we then finished it , changed a bunch of stuff and ran it in Burley in 2003. Shitty thing was I only had a street 10-71 on it, and it had never been run, had no idea where to start the tune up. And the cav plate had the wrong eyes on it, so he couldn't actually push the plate down. Thats been fixed and I put a smaller motor in it to be legal. That motor was the 572 in Pontiac, now it has a Dart headed 440 in Chevy. I had originally built a PSI screw blown 509 Pontiac, but they told me no on the cubes and the blower.
I guess you have to be a shorter guy to drvie that much power ???????????

[FC-Pilot]

I guess you have to be a shorter guy to drvie that much power ???????????

No, the comment about fitting in the boat had to do with the fact that he (Wannabe and I, being that we are brothers) are not the same size as the average race drivers. They tend to be smaller sized guys (or gals) and we don't "fit" in that category.

That thing is a beautiful boat for sure. We were also impressed to see someone put a blower on top of those heads. I have seen people do it with the big chiefs, but those are much different and to do it you have to put in a lot of time. And by the looks of it you put in the time and did a great job. So were those videos with the 427 heads or the darts?

Paul

[wizbang]

The videos there are of the Darts, we only have pics of the All aluminum Pontiac in it at Burley.

I have actually three of the Pontiac headed engines. The third is another blower engine, but smaller cu in and a sheetmetal intake, not the cast one.

[FC-Pilot]

The videos there are of the Darts, we only have pics of the All aluminum Pontiac in it at Burley.

I have actually three of the Pontiac headed engines. The third is another blower engine, but smaller cu in and a sheetmetal intake, not the cast one.


WOW! someone made a cast blower intake for those heads!? I would have never guessed. That is cool. I like some of the features of those heads, but would like to play with some of the newer spread port heads these days. They did a great job of keeping the intake valve further away from the cylinder wall than the early big chiefs.

We currently have two engine with those heads and just got rid of a third set of them. You sound as if you are as crazy as we are.:D

Paul

[wizbang]

Long story ?

I was the guy that bought the second set of those heads in Washington. Mike Fereder had the first set ( NHRA ) . I bought the cast intake from a street rod company " Street and Performance". I got all the parts together to build a blown/injected 572 cu in "Pontiac" in 1987. I have some reading material about how the "Pontiac" heads were designed and manufactured.
Buthc Leal was the guy that got to race them in NHRA ProStock.
Dart ( Richard Maskin ) then took that design and changed things to make his Big Chiefs. Alot of people call the two different haed castings " Pontiac Big Chiefs "... that isn't really correct.
Funny thing was John Garrison ( Paul Pfaff's cylinder head guru, or at least was? ) knows alot about these heads !

Anyways, I had a ProStreet ElCamino that I was going to run that engine in. Got stupid, sold all the stuff to get married in 1989.
Built a "street" 572 cu in blown Chevy w/ EFI and took it to Gordy @ Pfaff's in 1995 w/ my good friend Clyde , whom introduced me to John Garrison. I was not happy with the dyno numbers at that time, gas , it only made like 975 hp @ 6400. So I asked John about what to do for a cylinder head ? ( I had stock # 076 Chevy heads on it )
John told me you want the "Pontiac 427 " heads. I said "gees I know where there are some and a cast blower manifold for them", he said "GET THEM" !

So I did, and had John do them.

Thats what we ran in Burley in 2003.

[Wannabe]

I did see some pictures of that boat with that set-up in burley, but that was about it. When I saw the pictures, I about fell out of my chair.
We currently have a few sets of those heads. We were up to four sets till I sold one set to a truck puller.
But all of ours were originally ported for NHRA pro stock. Amazing how the different people took these babies in a different direction. But they all work in their own way. We have tested them accidentally to 11,400 rpm with very little issues. Since then I have taken and welded all of the stands together to make them a one piece deal and fixed any instability issues right up. In fact, this week we will finish building two of these engines. One sheet metal with a bird catcher and one stack injected. The third one is just coming apart after a transmission problem and another near fatal over-rev.
I guess we will see you at Burley next year.

[FC-Pilot]

Great info. All of ours are second (probably seventh and eighth hand by now) stuff. We found a set of Kinsler stacks for one set. It is fun running stacks on them because most people don't know they are not standard Chevy stuff. They see stack injectors and figure "Oh, it is just standard old stuff". Well it does not run like standard stuff, that is for sure.

Here is a shot of it before we polished the heads.
http://www.wannaberacing.com/jessica2.jpg

Thanks for sharing the info. We are looking forward to meeting you.

Paul

[wizbang]

Way cool ! I've grown very fond of the Pontiacs. I have lots of parts also.
I have the one stack injected deal now and know where there is another injector to fit those heads. I've thought about buying it and making up the second ProStock engine out of the New Century block I have or even the water Rodeck block I have ??????????

I keep kicking around the idea of selling the rodeck stuff to. I have the block,
valve covers and the blower manifold. seems lots of guys like the stuff ? I use a Rodeck blower manifold on the boat now, pretty nice piece so I bought the second one, but it's collecting dust :D

[Wannabe]

Have you ever done much with the 386 stuff?

[wizbang]

Nope, I did have some new castings at one time. Those are 15 degree ?
John told me that the 18 degree stuff is what you wanted for a blown engine.
I guess he had done lots of dyno work on the blown Pontiacs over at Black's shop when he worked there. ( He worked for Keith Black before Paul Pfaff )