Daytona Boats

[boatpoor]

Daytona Boats, were there more than one builder. Riverracer had a circle boat. A friend of my had a 19` mini daycrusier ( the one Scarlatta had for sale), and then of course the mini`s, 12.6`, 16`, and the 18` all I believe were out boards. I heard they were in Hunington Beach.

[boatpoor]

Oh yea, does anyone have any cool pic`s?

[RiverRacer]

Yep Sundown Marine, that was Bob Long and he also made a jet that looked just like the flat, he also made some fairly large boats also!..

[ABBOTTCRAFT]

We have a 12' daytona that we are converting to a V-drive T-deck flatbottom.. Hope to put a small blown alky motor in it..:D:D:D

[ABBOTTCRAFT]

12' Daytona

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk27/ABBOTTCRAFT/little20k201.jpg?t=1217384982

[warpt71]

Iv got more pictures if anyone is interested.

boatpoor, Where in the Valley are you? Always looking for someone new to boat with.

[boatpoor]

Sundown Marine, huh didn`t they used to rent boats. I think I say a couple of Hondo`s for rent back around 77ish 78. So this is the say guy who built all these different boats? I knew a guy who had a crusier about 24` or 25` black with the red and orange fades with a turbo motor. I think he was a plumber or something with construction. Jack, I think was his name. I think it got stolen at the river? maybe. Anyway same guy for all of these boats?

[boatpoor]

That little Daytona is for sale on Rosco across from Tommy`s. Right? By the 405? 2000.00 or best?

[RiverRacer]

Sundown Marine, huh didn`t they used to rent boats. I think I say a couple of Hondo`s for rent back around 77ish 78. So this is the say guy who built all these different boats? I knew a guy who had a crusier about 24` or 25` black with the red and orange fades with a turbo motor. I think he was a plumber or something with construction. Jack, I think was his name. I think it got stolen at the river? maybe. Anyway same guy for all of these boats?

Don't remember if he rented boats or not, but that is the same guy that made all those boats!..

[RiverRacer]

We have a 12' daytona that we are converting to a V-drive T-deck flatbottom.. Hope to put a small blown alky motor in it..:D:D

Now that should be fun!.:eek::D

[warpt71]

That little Daytona is for sale on Rosco across from Tommy`s. Right? By the 405? 2000.00 or best?

Correct boat, it wasnt there yesterday??? You pick it up???

[boatpoor]

What year did they stop building the boats, and what happened to the molds?

[RiverRacer]

What year did they stop building the boats, and what happened to the molds?

Man I don't remember now, probably early 80's maybe???, lost track of him when he went to jail!..

[boatpoor]

No I didn`t get it cause I already have one of the 12.6`s. Great little boat for the kids, but with a 50 hp power trim, it`s a little crazy.

[boatpoor]

Jail time huh, thats no good. I thought I heard something about a fire at the shop or something.

[V-Drive Video]

Sundown marine was owned and operated by Bob Long and Brian (pops) Davidson they were partners.

Dennis Evans worked for them.

The Daytona sprints were built from the original Biesemeyer molds that they bought from Bill Moore.

[RiverRacer]

Jail time huh, thats no good. I thought I heard something about a fire at the shop or something.

Yeah that happened too, guess he skimped on a few boats and they weren't quite up to par and he got busted for it, law suits and $hit!..

[boatpoor]

So the little outboards were choped down from the Sprint. The same style transom and pointed deck?

[V-Drive Video]

Yeah that happened too, guess he skimped on a few boats and they weren't quite up to par and he got busted for it, law suits and $hit!..


The kicker is, he was an ex cop.:)

[RiverRacer]

So the little outboards were shoped down from the Sprint. The same style transom and pointed deck?

Yep!......

[gfinishline]

I think it was this..I think it was that..."I think you are giving up your identity" "Who would steal a 25' bath tub with a turbo V-drive that ran over 100MPH? Oh and it took 3 trips to the lake to get it balanced (just right) because it has NO PLATES on it at all. "Stolen at the river"? I didn't know!

[RiverRacer]

The kicker is, he was an ex cop.:)

That he was!...:D

[ssmike]

Here's my first boat - 1983 Daytona Sprint

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/500/Header_pics_004.jpg

Kinda wish I had it back now.....:D

[gfinishline]

12' boat with a small block motor? Even if it is all aluminum, I feel it will be very difficult to keep the water out of the "back seat", at rest! BUT, I am ready to see it happen.

[RiverRacer]

Here's my first boat - 1983 Daytona Sprint

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/500/Header_pics_004.jpg

Kinda wish I had it back now.....:D

Yeah, kinda wish I had mine back too!..:p:D

[boatpoor]

How the hell do you get a bath tub to go 100mph with no plates. I forgot, the plates hold it back on speed. I know you got that thing straightened out for him.

[boatpoor]

SS Mike, thats a bitchin boat!

[boatpoor]

May be it was found at the river? It was atleast 15 years ago.

[V-Drive Video]

Here's my first boat - 1983 Daytona Sprint

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/500/Header_pics_004.jpg

Kinda wish I had it back now.....:D



Tell everyone what you paid for it and who found it for ya. :p

[boatpoor]

And tell us how much you probably gave it away for
, cause we all wish we had them back.

[RiverRacer]

I know I "GAVE" mine away!..:mad::mad:

[boatpoor]

What year was yours and what did you have in it? Cubic`s I mean.

[RiverRacer]

What year was yours and what did you have in it? Cubic`s I mean.

Mid 80's don't remember which year for sure, it was when Chuck went to a D'Cucci(91), and they took all the hardware out and put it in the new one, boat was laying in the dirt bare when I got it!..:D

[boatpoor]

Art, I`ve seen pic`s of the purple one ( Daytona), man that was a nice boat. So that one was sitting in the dirt? who would of thought that. So you put it back together and ran it? Very cool! Know you have the GN? Got any updated pic`s? IWas it red when you got it? Where did you find it? I knew a guy who had one, I think he got it from Harrah and sold it about 5 years ago. He was an electrian. Is this the same guy?

[RiverRacer]

Art, I`ve seen pic`s of the purple one ( Daytona), man that was a nice boat. So that one was sitting in the dirt? who would of thought that. So you put it back together and ran it? Very cool! Know you have the GN? Got any updated pic`s? IWas it red when you got it? Where did you find it? I knew a guy who had one, I think he got it from Harrah and sold it about 5 years ago. He was an electrian. Is this the same guy?

Thank you, yes it was a bare hull when I got it bought everything new and a bunch of aluminum and built it all myself!. First motor was a 440 ran 106, the last one was a junk low compression pos 468, best it ran was 97 but it just ran and ran!.... My Raysoncraft is red it was Paul Vaughn's boat and I got it from Ted Colby, boat was built in 2000!.. It's on hold now until after the move and I get settled in!..

[boatpoor]

Hey Art, if you need a place to store it let me know. I won`t even charge you. Thats if I can get a ride when you finish it.

[ssmike]

Tell everyone what you paid for it and who found it for ya. :p


Some guy with long hair found it:....:D:D

And the price I paid was more than fair Heck, I didn't even try to offer less for it.

[RiverRacer]

Hey Art, if you need a place to store it let me know. I won`t even charge you. Thats if I can get a ride when you finish it.

Thanks bud I appreciate it, no problem storing it though it's all tucked in now and I'll have a shop built before I move!. Once it's done you can have a ride any time!..:D

[V-Drive Video]

And tell us how much you probably gave it away for
, cause we all wish we had them back.


he made a killing on it.:cool:

[boatpoor]

Hey are you going to put four buckets in it, and if you do can we take Georgie too???? Oh yea, don`t forget about my new friend Don. Can he go too????? I`ll pitch in for gas!

[gfinishline]

"pitch in" ? YOU will pay for ALL THE FUEL AND BOOZE! I will sit in one of the back seats along with Captain Morgan, we will be monitoring the motor while you are in the front with your 'lipps flapping in the wind'. (just as you do here) I don't think Don "needs a ride", but I'll ask him.

[RiverRacer]

Hey are you going to put four buckets in it, and if you do can we take Georgie too???? Oh yea, don`t forget about my new friend Don. Can he go too????? I`ll pitch in for gas!

Four buckets you kiddin, GN's only have one,LOL, but I'll put two in so it'll be one at a time!..:D

[RiverRacer]

"pitch in" ? YOU will pay for ALL THE FUEL AND BOOZE! I will sit in one of the back seats along with Captain Morgan, we will be monitoring the motor while you are in the front with your 'lipps flapping in the wind'. (just as you do here) I don't think Don "needs a ride", but I'll ask him.

That is too funny, LOL...:D

[warpt71]

Four buckets you kiddin, GN's only have one,LOL, but I'll put two in so it'll be one at a time!..:D

HAHA I dont think that there will even be enough room for any rear seating? Its not a Schiada, its got a smaller cockpit right? Longer deck.

[boatpoor]

That`ll work, but maybe I can make you a couple of ET`s cause after a ride in a GN you`ll need to phone home! George.

[RiverRacer]

HAHA I dont think that there will even be enough room for any rear seating? Its not a Schiada, its got a smaller cockpit right? Longer deck.

No there's cockpit room but it's a race boat, motor sits forward you could still put rear seating but the front seats would be too close to the dash as far as I'm concerned, I want free exit if it becomes necessary, know what I mean!...:D

[warpt71]

No there's cockpit room but it's a race boat, motor sits forward you could still put rear seating but the front seats would be too close to the dash as far as I'm concerned, I want free exit if it becomes necessary, know what I mean!...:D

10-4! My buddys 20' Schiada should only have 2 buckets. If I ever get ahold of it, it will :D

[boatpoor]

About the fast exit, what about Georgie and the captain? Are they on their own.

[RiverRacer]

That`ll work, but maybe I can make you a couple of ET`s cause after a ride in a GN you`ll need to phone home!

Nahhh no problem there at all, can you take a ride from Echo all the way to Bluewater right down the middle on a Saturday afternoon at WOT non stop in slippery vinyl seats!..:D:D

[RiverRacer]

10-4! My buddys 20' Schiada should only have 2 buckets. If I ever get ahold of it, it will :D

I hear that!..:D

[RiverRacer]

About the fast exit, what about Georgie and the captain? Are they on their own.

Up to them to hang on!..:D:D

[gfinishline]

"Phone home for more ice!"

[ABBOTTCRAFT]

WOW...Must have been FREE BEER here or something last night...Quite alittle posting frenzy.......:D:D:D

[RiverRacer]

WOW...Must have been FREE BEER here or something last night...Quite alittle posting frenzy.......

LOL....:D:D:D

[gfinishline]

"You just drank beer? I'm waiting for the reports/photos of these smaller boats at rest. I'm thinking about a Mazda 3 rotor with turbo (or two) for that hydro. I wish you all good luck with your projects, but I'm staying far away from "little boats', these days.

[johnmiller]

Some info about Daytona boats.
Bob was a dealer for us (Miller Boats) in the 70's along with his partner Brian who opened up a Sundown Marine in Washington. Both were retired LAPD that worked homocide.
We designed and built the plug and then the molds for the 26' Daytona in the mid seventies, took about a year. We also built the first 5 or 6 of them. Bob took the molds to someone else later because we started getting really far behind with our own boats.
I have no idea what happened to Daytona, however, my guess is the 1980 depression probably put them out of business along with many other boat companies including Spectra.

[boatpoor]

Thanks for more info John!

[RiverRacer]

Some info about Daytona boats.
Bob was a dealer for us (Miller Boats) in the 70's along with his partner Brian who opened up a Sundown Marine in Washington. Both were retired LAPD that worked homocide.
We designed and built the plug and then the molds for the 26' Daytona in the mid seventies, took about a year. We also built the first 5 or 6 of them. Bob took the molds to someone else later because we started getting really far behind with our own boats.
I have no idea what happened to Daytona, however, my guess is the 1980 depression probably put them out of business along with many other boat companies including Spectra.

John, Sundown Marine was in Huntington Beach on Beach blvd, he went out of business because of law suits on his boats and did some time for it!...

[gfinishline]

Brian dodged that bullet too. The "time" refers to the "off shore boat rentals" right?

[RiverRacer]

Brian dodged that bullet too. The "time" refers to the "off shore boat rentals" right?

That was part of it, also about how he skimped on some of the bigger boats he built!..

[johnmiller]

I stated that wrong, I know Bob was in Huntington Beach, I must of delivered 50 boats to him there. I meant that Brian later opened up a Sundown Marine in Washington.
I didn't know about the trouble Bob got into. He was a really nice guy!!!
Well, it would wind up being one of three evils that got him:
1. 1980 depression
2. The IRS
3. Frivilous lawsuits

We had products liability, very expensive even back then.
I had an attorney call me from Washington around 1989 asking about a boat we built in 1979 (for Sundown Marine in Wash.) and if it was covered by products liability. I asked why, he said the owner was selling the boat and was giving a ride to a potential buyer. They forgot to pull up the anchor, so when the boat took off, the anchor flew into the boat and hit the buyers girlfriend.
He then asked if the owner bought the anchor from us and is the boat covered by products liability. I lied and said no!!! He hung up on me.

The problem with insurance companies is they almost always settle out of court no matter how stupid the suit is. This attorney was fishing for some free money so I lied.

This is why Products Liability insurance is so expensive, too many stupid lawsuits and too many retarded people that believe they are never responsible for what they do.

[shooter2]

Can I get insurance on me being stupid????? I will be rich.

Brian

[RiverRacer]

Can I get insurance on me being stupid????? I will be rich.

Brian

LMAO!..:D:D

[RiverRacer]

I stated that wrong, I know Bob was in Huntington Beach, I must of delivered 50 boats to him there. I meant that Brian later opened up a Sundown Marine in Washington.
I didn't know about the trouble Bob got into. He was a really nice guy!!!
Well, it would wind up being one of three evils that got him:
1. 1980 depression
2. The IRS
3. Frivilous lawsuits

We had products liability, very expensive even back then.
I had an attorney call me from Washington around 1989 asking about a boat we built in 1979 (for Sundown Marine in Wash.) and if it was covered by products liability. I asked why, he said the owner was selling the boat and was giving a ride to a potential buyer. They forgot to pull up the anchor, so when the boat took off, the anchor flew into the boat and hit the buyers girlfriend.
He then asked if the owner bought the anchor from us and is the boat covered by products liability. I lied and said no!!! He hung up on me.

The problem with insurance companies is they almost always settle out of court no matter how stupid the suit is. This attorney was fishing for some free money so I lied.

This is why Products Liability insurance is so expensive, too many stupid lawsuits and too many retarded people that believe they are never responsible for what they do.

Ok gotcha, I forgot all about Brian's deal, but if I remember right the IRS was also in the picture on Bob's deal!..

[johnmiller]

Ok gotcha, I forgot all about Brian's deal, but if I remember right the IRS was also in the picture on Bob's deal!..


1. 1980 depression
2. The IRS
3. Frivilous lawsuits


Shit, 2 out of 3 that's really bad!!!!!!

[RiverRacer]

Shit, 2 out of 3 that's really bad!!!!!!

Not good that's for sure!.. He did his time and shit and when he came out I heard someone was gonna help get him started up again, but it never happened for some reason??, ever hear from him since???...

[johnmiller]

Not good that's for sure!.. He did his time and shit and when he came out I heard someone was gonna help get him started up again, but it never happened for some reason??, ever hear from him since???...

No, I never heard from him. I also didn't know about the trouble he got into either.
I can't remember the last time I talked to Bob, later 70's I think.
I know I saw him several times at Lake Ming in 1977-79 driving the K-boat.

Do you remember what year he got into trouble?

[RiverRacer]

No, I never heard from him. I also didn't know about the trouble he got into either.
I can't remember the last time I talked to Bob, later 70's I think.
I know I saw him several times at Lake Ming in 1977-79 driving the K-boat.

Do you remember what year he got into trouble?

Yeah it has been a long time, think the last time I talked to him was at Irvine in 80??. Don't remember the year but it's early to mid 80's that it all went down!..

[boatpoor]

The little 12.6`er was built in 86. Is my going to be a collectable?

[RiverRacer]

Now that I think of it, mine was built in 85 and yours in 86 so it had to be shortly there after when he got into trouble!..

[boatpoor]

See there you go,it was sitting right there in front of us, it had to be around 86ish. I know who to count on!

[johnmiller]

The 80's were very rough years for boat mfgs.
The biggest problem happened in April 1980. The government forced banks to cut loans to 75% of what they loaned in 1979. Carter was behind this idea to stop inflation, really brilliant. Well, interest rates shot up to 25% damn near overnight. Put our country in the worst recession ever. Pretty much screwed up all of the 80's. Our company built less than half of what we built in the 70's. Then to top it off, we lost most of our dealers as well. This problem was caused by a guy (don't remember his name) with lots of money that was a distributor for the cheap boat mfgs. He would offer cheap boats on consignment to boat dealers but the dealer would have to drop selling other companies boats, namely us, sanger, etc. I can't remember the piece of shit's name but he ruined even more boat mfgs.

Sorry for getting carried away but I'll never forget how shitty all this was.

[gfinishline]

John, would you be talking about the distributor "Cal Custom"? Carl Koster?

[johnmiller]

John, would you be talking about the distributor "Cal Custom"? Carl Koster?

Carl Koster, That's the shithead!!!! Thanks!
I had at least 3 of our dealers tell me what was going on. They really felt bad about the deal but they had no choice. Sales were down and interest rates were out of sight. They liked us and wanted us to know the real truth.