another Sanger owner needs help identifying model

[mike c]

hello to all,
I am new to posting on this website but I have been lurking on it for about a
year. I purchased a 1973 Sanger runnerbottom about a year and a half ago and am trying to gain as much information about v-drives as I can. I was wondering if someone could help me to figure out what model I have. The registration says year built was 1972 and the model year is 1973. I took dimensions on the boat and all the dimensions appear to be the same as a circle runner but the boat appears to be set up for drag racing(ie the shape of the rudder, the forward skeg, the length of the cavitation plates, and the engine drives off the flywheel). The last letter in the HIN is an "E"(not sure if this pertinent information but it seemed odd). The runner appears to be 3/8 inch deep, which I thought I read somewhere that was the depth for a circle runner. I also read that the circle runners have a different chine which is more rounded than the drag runner, mine appears to be pretty square. Could this be an earlier model circle runner which was later refined say in 1976 or so? My plans for the boat are to finish restoring and enjoy, maybe race later.
Awesome site by the way with great information and no B.S. Thanks in advance for any help.

[RiverRacer]

Well, it could still be a circle runner maybe the original owner bought it as a ski boat, it was available any way you wanted it at the time, got any pics???..

BTW, welcome aboard!..

[pwderman]

Welcome to the site. I've been told they made 3 lengths for a bubble deck, is yours a bubble deck, 18' 3" drag 18' 6"circle & 19' ski this is what I was told and mine is set up as a circle boat and it measures about 18'8" and at the time we couldn't measure very accurately. And like Art said you could get them anyway you wanted I'm sure the only limiting factor was $$$$$$ Jon

[mike c]

Thanks again for your reply Riverracer and powderman. I have an old advertisement that I pulled off the internet, I think it was either HB or PerformanceBoats.com, it was for a Sanger circle boat and that is where I am getting my dimensions. In the ad it says 18'3'' length, forgive me I have not mastered this computer yet or I would put the ad in here plus some pictures of my boat, does that mean you could order it as a 18'6'' or 19'' circle runner back in the day as well?

[pwderman]

I was never into Sangers to much so I'll have to defer to someone with more knowledge about them than I have...:confused: I'm still trying to figure out mine it's not a runner but it's definitly set up as a circle boat.

I've dealt with muscle car restos and one thing I've learned is the more you think know the more you find out you DON'T..:eek:

[RiverRacer]

Thanks again for your reply Riverracer and powderman. I have an old advertisement that I pulled off the internet, I think it was either HB or PerformanceBoats.com, it was for a Sanger circle boat and that is where I am getting my dimensions. In the ad it says 18'3'' length, forgive me I have not mastered this computer yet or I would put the ad in here plus some pictures of my boat, does that mean you could order it as a 18'6'' or 19'' circle runner back in the day as well?

The circle runner only came one length, but you could order it any way you wanted it!..

[RiverRacer]

I've dealt with muscle car restos and one thing I've learned is the more you think know the more you find out you DON'T..:eek:

Hell that goes for boats too, sometimes I feel like I don't know $hit(with all the professionals around)then again I probably don't, LOL...:D

[pwderman]

Hell that goes for boats too, sometimes I feel like I don't know $hit(with all the professionals around)then again I probably don't, LOL...:D

And some of the pro's don't know $hit either....:mad::D I've run into that more than once or twice....:eek:

[pwderman]

The circle runner only came one length, but you could order it any way you wanted it!..


That makes sense Art you would want to run different bottoms for specific applications, drag, circle, ski.

[RiverRacer]

And some of the pro's don't know $hit either....:mad::D I've run into that more than once or twice....:eek:

Yeah, especially when these kids(oops I mean professionals)tell you that what you been running for 30+years flawless is junk, totally amazing!..LOL..

[mike c]

Riverracer,
I can definately appreciate the knowledge you and others have on this website. There was a thread between you and I believe it was Terrible Toy or possibly Gfinishline explaining how to drive one of these things and after trying to figure it out for myself for 6 months it all clicked. But I am definately no Tony Scarlata or Larry Schwabenland(or even close those guys are amazing). I was wondering since you raced circle boats how do they set those up for the turns I know they drive off the crank snout to help the left hand turns but do they intentionally try to make them slide(like a sprint car) or do they want them to hook up(like a sports car) or does it vary from a single pin course to a larger course?

P.S. still trying to figure out photos:mad:

[mike c]

Powderman,
I see you are in the Sacramento area, where do you usually boat? I am in Oakley near Antioch. It's kinda of hard to run this thing around here either because of the wind or the Delta destroyers and I have heard that some of the lakes are not really hot rod friendly.

[RiverRacer]

Riverracer,
I can definately appreciate the knowledge you and others have on this website. There was a thread between you and I believe it was Terrible Toy or possibly Gfinishline explaining how to drive one of these things and after trying to figure it out for myself for 6 months it all clicked. But I am definately no Tony Scarlata or Larry Schwabenland(or even close those guys are amazing). I was wondering since you raced circle boats how do they set those up for the turns I know they drive off the crank snout to help the left hand turns but do they intentionally try to make them slide(like a sprint car) or do they want them to hook up(like a sports car) or does it vary from a single pin course to a larger course?

P.S. still trying to figure out photos:mad:

Let's see how's it go, "dump it, crank it, stand on it" LOL.. On a single pin turn you stuff the nose in, when you crank it and get on it the tail lifts and slides around, on a long course you drive it around but you still have to be on the plate to prevent the boat from lifting and going over!.. BTW, don't ever try this stuff in a drag boat, garonteed you won't make it, they are two completely different animals!...

[mike c]

Ookay, that wasn't in that discussion I mentioned earlier "dump it, crank it, stand on it", but it sounds like it's one of those things that if you get right it is the most fun you can have with your clothes on! Get it wrong and it would feel better to shut your tongue in a door!:eek: I'm interested in possibly running in the nostalgia flat classes offered by the SCSC or the ONCB but I think I'll be needing more seat time for sure.

[RiverRacer]

Mike, you would have a blast and that is the best place to get seat time, it's also cheap run what you brung just don't go over 80, lot of the guys running are learning so you wouldn't feel out of place!..

[V-Drive Video]

Riverracer,
I was wondering since you raced circle boats how do they set those up for the turns...


Art, I thought you told me you never circle raced before, only drag raced using circleboats lol...

This is probably the ad from my Hotboat and Performance boat threads. :cool:

http://www.v-drivevideo.net/pictures/albums/2/Sanger_circle_runner_004.jpg

[RiverRacer]

[QUOTE=V-Drive Video;6411]Art, I thought you told me you never circle raced before, only drag raced using circleboats lol...

Guess you misunderstood a bit huh,lol...:D

[mike c]

Yeah, that's the ad I am trying to put on here! That boat is awesome! I love the brown metalflake and goldleaf! Anyway my boat matches those exact dimensions, do you know what year that was advertised?

[V-Drive Video]

Yeah, that's the ad I am trying to put on here! That boat is awesome! I love the brown metalflake and goldleaf! Anyway my boat matches those exact dimensions, do you know what year that was advertised?

I would guess 76'.

The boat pictured was driven by Don Sequeira and he kicked some arse!

[Roaddogg 4040]

I would guess 76'.

The boat pictured was driven by Don Sequeira and he kicked some arse!

Hey Jer, is Don any relation to Steve Sequeira?

Steve

[V-Drive Video]

Hey Jer, is Don any relation to Steve Sequeira?

Steve

Thats a big negative...

[Roaddogg 4040]

Thanks... Now get back to work on the boat of yours....:)

Steve

[harlan orrin]

The Sanger drag boats had a square corner at the vertical side to the bottom, at the transom. The circle boats had a narrower transom, with the sides flaring out about 10°. We built molds and boats that were legal, then went to races, and the officials said they were not legal, after they changed the rules. This is called JOB SECURITY. At the next race we had a new boat that was legal with the new rules.
Harlan Orrin

[mike c]

Thanks Harlan,
When did this rule change take place? Was it between like 1975 and 1976? Because I had read an article in Hot Boat about a fella that had 1974 Sanger circle runner that had mentioned this rule change and how the boat was built for the K boat class and then outlawed. Did both the drag and circle boats come in the same lengths or were the drag boats longer?