Need a Timing cover.

[Flatmvn]

Any one have a smooth polished timing cover, Like this one that they want to part with. For a gen IV-V BBC

http://www.cpperformance.com/images/421-154.JPG

[hydroguy]

Theres on Ebay under enderle.

[Flatmvn]

Thanks for the tip but need one just like the one I posted so that the setup doesn't change.

Louis

[BradP]

Any one have a smooth polished timing cover, Like this one that they want to part with. For a gen IV-V BBC

http://www.cpperformance.com/images/421-154.JPG

Is that for the 80a pump?:D

[Flatmvn]

Yea don't you wish, you've seen my setup I have no room for a 80a on the end of my motor.
See I have proof.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0177-1.jpg


Louis

[RiverRacer]

Better start doing some engineering there dude, we need to have that hat on for September!..:D

BTW, easy way to fix that is put the motor in the right way and that would solve the problem, and that way we don't have to do right turns which is illegal on the river just in case you didn't know!..:D:D

[shooter2]

What about a belt drive fuel pump, will that work?? Or if it is a dry sump motor run it off the pump. If you lose the belt for the pump, than you lose the fuel as well.

Brian

[Flatmvn]

I f there was an electric fuel pump that will run the hat we would be good to go. As the way it is know there is no way I could get a cam driven pump in there. There is only about a 1/2" clerence between the fuel tank and the water pump. I had to enginer my own spacer and pump drive to acomplish that, that spacer is only 3/4" thick. If you guys have any ideas I am open to them.

Louis

[RiverRacer]

If you guys have any ideas I am open to them

Read above post for solution!..:D:D

[Flatmvn]

What about a belt drive fuel pump, will that work?? Or if it is a dry sump motor run it off the pump. If you lose the belt for the pump, than you lose the fuel as well.

Brian

I don't think I have any room for a extra pulley on the crank snout either. I can take some better pics of my set up and then you guys can see what little room I have.

Louis

[Flatmvn]

Did that he wrote it as I was typing and then you showed up also. I can only type so fast.

[shooter2]

Ok I am starting to have to agree with Art. Put it in the right way around. After all thats makes everthing a breeze. Can you have that done for Sat??

Brian

[Flatmvn]

Better start doing some engineering there dude, we need to have that hat on for September!..:D

BTW, easy way to fix that is put the motor in the right way and that would solve the problem, and that way we don't have to do right turns which is illegal on the river just in case you didn't know!..:D

Yea turning the motor around would free up allot of space and that would be great but that would require a total re-rig of the boat and that is not happening.

Also Art I don't really remember us having a problem turning left other than the rookie driver that couldn't hit the gas fast enough to keep the motor running.:rolleyes::D

[Flatmvn]

One other thing we have to think about is safety. If I turn the motor around that puts the blower belt behind the seats, this is a hot rod toy not a race boat I do give the ladies thrill rides and some of them have long hair. Long hair and blower belts don't mix. Yes I now there are belt guards. My other safety issue with the motor being in belt backwards is that should I happen to pop the blower off the belt and blower will be headed backwards not slapping the $hit out of me or my passenger.

Louis

[warpt71]

Hey Louis,

Is the water pump any longer than the fuel pump??? I assume you have a cam driven water pump on there now? If they measure out the same could you run an electric water pump (I hate the sound of that) or even just force feed the motor??? Just my initial thoughts :D

[RiverRacer]

Yea turning the motor around would free up allot of space and that would be great but that would require a total re-rig of the boat and that is not happening.

Nahh, just some motor plates, drive line cove mods some plumbing, good to go!.. BTW you should have done that to begin with, LOL...:D

Also Art I don't really remember us having a problem turning left other than the rookie driver that couldn't hit the gas fast enough to keep the motor running.:rolleyes::D

Good point!..:D

[Flatmvn]

Hey Louis,

Is the water pump any longer than the fuel pump??? I assume you have a cam driven water pump on there now? If they measure out the same could you run an electric water pump (I hate the sound of that) or even just force feed the motor??? Just my initial thoughts :D

Don't like the Idea of the electric water pump can't trust it, if it fails I loose an engine. I run electric fuel pump, if it fails I just run out of gas. Can't really do the force fed deal because I do a lot of idling and would burn a motor up that way.

Louis

[RiverRacer]

Don't like the Idea of the electric water pump can't trust it

Couldn't pay me to run an electric water pump!..:D

[Flatmvn]

Art,

You for got a new prop, some new dogs, new gears, a new solid drive shaft, some new plumbing. All the mods to the plates and drive line tube would require powder coating and the list goes on. Way more expensive than trying to figure out a way to drive a fuel pump.

Louis

[warpt71]

Whats on there for a water pump now?

[RiverRacer]

Art,

You for got a new prop, some new dogs, new gears, a new solid drive shaft, some new plumbing. All the mods to the plates and drive line tube would require powder coating and the list goes on. Way more expensive than trying to figure out a way to drive a fuel pump.

Louis

Yes indeed, LOL..:D

[shooter2]

You dont need much room to run a belt drive pump and can mount it way off to the side where there is more room. What about running it off the front of the motor, any options there???

Brian

[tunnelrunner]

This is probably overly simplistic...but.. have you ever considered using either saddle tanks or a different shaped stack tank?

You have all the room in the world with saddle tanks..

[warpt71]

Build a new fuel tank???

I have a belt driven water pump and I plan on running a cam driven fuel pump. I also have a double groved pully on the crank....

[tunnelrunner]

Ah ok, I misunderstood. I read it as you didnt have room for the cam driven fuel pump.:)

[RiverRacer]

You dont need much room to run a belt drive pump and can mount it way off to the side where there is more room. What about running it off the front of the motor, any options there???

Brian

His motor is in backwards so the front of the motor is up against the tank, and it is very close. But could run a belt deal with the pump facing forward that probably would work!..

[warpt71]

So whats hangin off the front of the crank as it sits now?

[Flatmvn]

This is probably overly simplistic...but.. have you ever considered using either saddle tanks or a different shaped stack tank?

You have all the room in the world with saddle tanks..

Yes thought about that and I really don't want to go with saddle tanks. The tank in the boat know is there because of the style of being a GN class boat. Also the tank strap supports my exhaust pipes the stand offs that hold the pipes up are bolted to the strap and the tank helps support it all.

View of the stand offs.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0074.jpg

[tunnelrunner]

Yeah, if he has a spare groove on his crank pulley, no problemo.... I read it as he didnt.

[tunnelrunner]

Yes thought about that and I really don't want to go with saddle tanks. The tank in the boat know is there because of the style of being a GN class boat. Also the tank strap supports my exhaust pipes the stand offs that hold the pipes up are bolted to the strap and the tank helps support it all.

View of the stand offs.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0074.jpg

Nice............... :)

[shooter2]

His motor is in backwards so the front of the motor is up against the tank, and it is very close. But could run a belt deal with the pump facing forward that probably would work!..


Thats what I meant by front, the front being the back. The back facing the front. Ah hell just turn the motor around. Just kidding, what I meant is is there a chance of running it off the flywheel some how?

Brian

[gfinishline]

Is your "chain/gear/belt, cam, and bearings strong enough to drive an MFI pump off of the REAR of the cam? I am working on an off-set distributor drive for one of my projects. If we can find the actual LOAD of an "80-A" MFI pump at RPMs, I will try to design a drive that can mount where a normal distributor mounts and drive that pump and Mag/ Distributor. OR! we could drill a BIG OL' hole in your "T" tank and weld up a space for a regular pump deal. How about MFI pump off the cam and water pump off the distributor drive? Louis, you NEED a hat on that bitch! "Chicks dig the scary/loud/fast boats!" RIGHT?

[tunnelrunner]

Is your "chain/gear/belt, cam, and bearings strong enough to drive an MFI pump off of the REAR of the cam? I am working on an off-set distributor drive for one of my projects. If we can find the actual LOAD of an "80-A" MFI pump at RPMs, I will try to design a drive that can mount where a normal distributor mounts and drive that pump and Mag/ Distributor. OR! we could drill a BIG OL' hole in your "T" tank and weld up a space for a regular pump deal. How about MFI pump off the cam and water pump off the distributor drive? Louis, you NEED a hat on that bitch! "Chicks dig the scary/loud/fast boats!" RIGHT?

Man..... I need to win the $50million Powerball tonite and ship a boat to the states and let George loose on it..lol;)

[Flatmvn]

So whats hangin off the front of the crank as it sits now?

Nothing is on the crank except for the crank hub and the lower pulley. I just don't think I have the room to put a hub to mount a spindle on to get the belt on to drive a belt driven pump. With the water pump in the position that it is in I can't add pulleys or anything that will move the position of the blower belt. It already clips my water lines the way it is and it can't go any closer to the engine its self.

Louis

[Flatmvn]

Louis, you NEED a hat on that bitch! "Chicks dig the scary/loud/fast boats!" RIGHT?

Yea George I know what you mean. I have been looking for options to get it on there My only hang up is getting a fuel pump to put fuel to it. I have the hat I have a pump more damn pills and crap than I really need I think, just no way to drive a pump.

Louis

[RiverRacer]

Is your "chain/gear/belt, cam, and bearings strong enough to drive an MFI pump off of the REAR of the cam? I am working on an off-set distributor drive for one of my projects. If we can find the actual LOAD of an "80-A" MFI pump at RPMs, I will try to design a drive that can mount where a normal distributor mounts and drive that pump and Mag/ Distributor. OR! we could drill a BIG OL' hole in your "T" tank and weld up a space for a regular pump deal. How about MFI pump off the cam and water pump off the distributor drive? Louis, you NEED a hat on that bitch! "Chicks dig the scary/loud/fast boats!" RIGHT?

Hey George, somebody already makes one of them, can't think who it is now maybe Hilborn I don't know but it is a cool deal, only saw it once I'll have to do a search for it!..

[Flatmvn]

Just to let you guys know I have been doing some research on electric pumps and Hilborn and Kinsler offer some pumps that are electric. I need to call them and see if I can make it happen. It just takes a little time.

Louis

[Flatmvn]

By the way after all this injection talk does any one have a timming cover?

[RiverRacer]

By the way after all this injection talk does any one have a timming cover?

I got a couple but not polished like you want!..:D

[shooter2]

By the way after all this injection talk does any one have a timming cover?


Oops, sorry did we jack this thread and get of topic???LOL my bad

Brian

[Flatmvn]

Oops, sorry did we jack this thread and get of topic???LOL my bad

Brian

It is all Brads fault. Don't blame yourself, Brad is always starting $hit.:D:D


Louis

[warpt71]

And where is he tonight???? LOL

[Flatmvn]

And where is he tonight???? LOL


Painting his butterflies on his hat. :D:D:D

[RiverRacer]

It is all Brads fault. Don't blame yourself, Brad is always starting $hit.:D


Louis

Well after all, he is our chief resident ball buster ya know!.. And yes it is his fault he bugged me to bust your balls about the hat, so I'll let him continue on!..:D But you really should put a hat on though!..:D:D

[BradP]

Hey! Hey! Hey!

It was just a question!:mad::p:D

Just put a Mr Gasket fake hat on it and call it a day!:D

[RiverRacer]

Just put a Mr Gasket fake hat on it and call it a day!:D

Them's fighting words boy!..:mad::D

[shooter2]

Hey! Hey! Hey!

It was just a question!:mad::p:D

Just put a Mr Gasket fake hat on it and call it a day!:D

Well then would that make it a blower boat then??? Argued with a guy in HS that a scoop was not a blower. Beleive it or not.

Brian

PS: Just for the record I said it wasn't

[Flatmvn]

OK since we have butchered this thread allready might as well finish it.

Here are some pics of my space limitations.

Looking down
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0003-1.jpg

A little closer
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0002-1.jpg

From the right side
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0004-1.jpg

Over all view,
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0005-1.jpg

[Flatmvn]

Bottom Pulley
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0008-1.jpg

Another View of bottom pulley space.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb16/flatmvn/Rush/DSC_0009-1.jpg

[warpt71]

Well there is definatly not enough room to "stack" the pumps so something is going to have to be belt driven. Did anything become of the electric fuel pump???

If you could get a V-pully in front of the blower pully I think you could be set

[shooter2]

I am sure there is an obvious reason for not doing this, but what about a hv mechanical pump on the block? And what did it have before.

Brian

[Flatmvn]

I don't think there is a pump that will run a MFI that will run on the Block. Not sure what you mean.

[RiverRacer]

I don't think there is a pump that will run a MFI that will run on the Block. Not sure what you mean.

Louis, you have room on the bottom pulley for a gilmer belt drive, you would have to make an extension just to the edge of the blower pulley and use a Hilborn drive!..

[Flatmvn]

You think I have enough room to run a belt drive like one of these then.

Hilborn Style
http://www.hilborninjection.com/images/PDC-7-1.jpg

Enderle Style
http://www.goodvibesracing.com/Product-Scans/E-5014A.JPG

[warpt71]

I would think so? :D :D :D

[RiverRacer]

Yes that's what I'm talking about, may have to fab a couple of parts to fit but that would work, shouldn't be that big a deal!..

[Flatmvn]

Well I might have to order up some parts and start over engineering something. Reading about the Enderle one they say it is fully adjustable so that might be a direct bolt on setup I will look into it.

Louis

[RiverRacer]

Well I might have to order up some parts and start over engineering something. Reading about the Enderle one they say it is fully adjustable so that might be a direct bolt on setup I will look into it.

Louis

Yes it is a bolt on deal, and since the pump would be down low it'll always be primed!. If you go Enderle just do like Brad and get one from them all setup, they'll have you close!..

[Flatmvn]

Art,

I already have a pump, the hat, all the lines. I think the pump is set up for cam drive though I will have to get it out and look at it, if it is can I still use it or will I have to get another one. Or do I need to gather up all my parts and get them to Enderle and have them set it up for me.

Louis

[RiverRacer]

Art,

I already have a pump, the hat, all the lines. I think the pump is set up for cam drive though I will have to get it out and look at it, if it is can I still use it or will I have to get another one. Or do I need to gather up all my parts and get them to Enderle and have them set it up for me.

Louis

Louis, it will all work all you need is a drive for the pump, and if it has to face the opposite way all you do is reverse the rotation and all you do is change cover position!. If your setup is ready for blown gas then just bolt it on, if not then I would send it all to Enderle and have them set it up it would save a lot of headaches especially with a blown deal!..

[Flatmvn]

It was all supose to be set up on gas, is there a way to tell for sure. I will dig out the parts and see what I have.

Hey Art, stop by after you go to Parker this weekend and you can help me bolt it all on and set it up.

Louis

[BradP]

Art,

I already have a pump, the hat, all the lines. I think the pump is set up for cam drive though I will have to get it out and look at it, if it is can I still use it or will I have to get another one. Or do I need to gather up all my parts and get them to Enderle and have them set it up for me.

Louis

Yeee Ha!!

VERY cool Louis!

Check your deal to see what it was set up for, nozzle sizes, main bypass then call Enderle with your motor specs, cam, heads, boost and they will tell you if you are close or need to send it to them. They are very helpful on the phone, best time to reach them is in the afternoon.
When I put mine on all I had to do was fatten the "idle circut". Took ten seconds. Once they have done all you'll need to do is set the idle.
:D:D

[RiverRacer]

It was all supose to be set up on gas, is there a way to tell for sure. I will dig out the parts and see what I have.

Hey Art, stop by after you go to Parker this weekend and you can help me bolt it all on and set it up.

Louis

Louis, if you don't know the history about it, you need to at least send the pump and nozzles in to get flowed to make sure things are compatible, otherwise you could pull your hair out trying to get it to run!. Actually just send the whole thing in and have them set it up, when you get it back just bolt it on and it'll run, a little adjustment on the idle and barrel valve and you're good to go!..

Would love to stop by but gotta go to Kingman after taking care of biz in Parker, I'll be back down tomorrow afternoon but it'll probably be late, otherwise I would!...

[Flatmvn]

Yeee Ha!!

VERY cool Louis!

Check your deal to see what it was set up for, nozzle sizes, main bypass then call Enderle with your motor specs, cam, heads, boost and they will tell you if you are close or need to send it to them. They are very helpful on the phone, best time to reach them is in the afternoon.
When I put mine on all I had to do was fatten the "idle circut". Took ten seconds. Once they have done all you'll need to do is set the idle.
:D:D

I think because you started all of this you should come and help with it. You are known to start $hit and never finish it. Here is your chance to redeem your self.:rolleyes:

Louis

[Terrible toy]

Louis, apparently you missed this brilliant solution to Brian's fuel problems. No clearance probs with this setup.:D:D

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll317/terribletoy/Shooter.jpg

[poncho]

nice work terrible:D

[Terrible toy]

Here is how I plumbed a belt driven pump on this comp motor. It's a Kinsler pump, mounted low. If I hadn't used an external oil pump the 5/8 inch deep pulley could have been mounted flush with the Fluid Dampener, or in this case with the crank trigger wheel. Also, I used a Holley electric pump to prime the motor for starting. Worked OK if I was careful not to hold the button too long.http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll317/terribletoy/KAAenginecopy.jpg

[BradP]

I think because you started all of this you should come and help with it. You are known to start $hit and never finish it. Here is your chance to redeem your self.:rolleyes:

Louis


Damn!

If you any closer I'd be there this weekend helping you screw everything up!:D

See what that pic with the hat sitting on it has led to!

Besides I gave you an out, no one here would notice the Mr Gasket deal...................much.:p

[Flatmvn]

Louis, apparently you missed this brilliant solution to Brian's fuel problems. No clearance probs with this setup.:D:D

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll317/terribletoy/Shooter.jpg

No I saw that solution but That would lead to another issue of where to mount the wing brackets to hold the keg.

Thanks anyways I think I will go for a cleaner look.

Louis

[Terrible toy]

No I saw that solution but That would lead to another issue of where to mount the wing brackets to hold the keg.

Thanks anyways I think I will go for a cleaner look.

Louis

OK, but I was just out on the mill making the lightened brackets for Brian, could make you a set while the fixtures are ready. A few little holes in those pretty valve covers is all you need..;)