Throttle pedal issues

[wagspe208]

I am struggling with a cool way to make the throttle assembly. It has to have a stop bolt, I will pull on the morse cable (duh).
You roundy round guys usually have some different cool ideas.
Thanks
Wags

[RiverRacer]

What do you have now?? usually push is the norm and a stop bolt is a no brainer, you have a pic of your setup or you trying to fab up from scratch???

[gfinishline]

Please don't forget a "toe strap" on your throttle pedal! It's the safe way to go. Remember that you want your "ankle" to contol the throttle and not your 'leg' weight. Create a foot control that allows you to 'brace' yourself in the seat and allow your ankle movement to control the throttle action. Foot control pivot point should be at or near the "instep" of your foot, not at the bottom of the pedal. I have made a number of "thru stringer' controls in the past, one of them may work for you.

[wagspe208]

What do you have now?? usually push is the norm and a stop bolt is a no brainer, you have a pic of your setup or you trying to fab up from scratch???

My problem with a push to open setup is...I have seen guys bend their cable ends. Now, I know, this is because they do not have their stop (on the pedal) adjusted properly. Hell, that would take two minutes to do. LOL Also, with springs on both sides of the butterflies, it can be a decent amount of pressure to push. Pull will never break a cable.
Paul...car guys push or pull. Maybe I am just trying to reinvent the wheel.
Wags

[wagspe208]

Here is a clean one, but pushing, and no adjustavble stop that I can see.
Huh...how do I post a picture now a days. I finally had the old method figured out, and here we go.
Wags

[Moneypit]

The big issue with failing to adjust/install a throttle stop is the throttle shafts, not the cable. If the full open throttle is the stop you will pound the hell out of the throttle shaft(s). We ran one cable, original as far as I know, on the 78 Revenge. The stop was set on the foot pedal, never had an issue with bending the cable or hurting the injector shafts. I finally replaced the cable because the casing was going away allowing the whole deal to rotate internally. I can't remember seeing any foot pedals that pull.....MP

[Roaddogg 4040]

I had a pull cable on my second Rayson. I guess it is a matter of preference. The comment about not using the throttle shafts for the stop is true as hell.

Steve

[BradP]

I bought my boat with no motor and when I was putting mine in a friend of mine hit the throttle pedal, it flipped over and the spring pinned it to the floor.:eek:

I made this stop for the pedal immediately.:D

George, is there an off the shelf strap for this type of pedal?

[wagspe208]

I converted my last boat from push to pull because I was trying to use a throttle control (delay box actually) and it had to pull on the cable. Now I remember.
Wags

[shooter2]

Dumb aside story about a dummer person. But he was in an outboard so what do you expect. This guy gets an old mod u boat with a 200 or so Johnson. Gets it all painted up. He is in a hurry to get out and try it so in his haste he decides that he doesnt need a return spring on the gas pedal. so he attaches a string to it and decides he can hold it in his mouth and pull it back when he wants to slow down. Here he comes down the lake, hits a couple of waves string falls out of his mouth, foot goes to the floor, next stop was him hitting the water. Surprising he must have at least had a kill switch. He went to the hardware store right after we pulled his boat up and dried it out and bought a very nice spring. There are more stories about this guy, but they are for another day. He is a walking comedy of errors. Even when he bought a v-drive shovel nose he still didn't get much smarter. Hell he may even lurk here, if he does he knows this is about him.

Brian

[RiverRacer]

Dumb aside story about a dummer person. But he was in an outboard so what do you expect. This guy gets an old mod u boat with a 200 or so Johnson. Gets it all painted up. He is in a hurry to get out and try it so in his haste he decides that he doesnt need a return spring on the gas pedal. so he attaches a string to it and decides he can hold it in his mouth and pull it back when he wants to slow down. Here he comes down the lake, hits a couple of waves string falls out of his mouth, foot goes to the floor, next stop was him hitting the water. Surprising he must have at least had a kill switch. He went to the hardware store right after we pulled his boat up and dried it out and bought a very nice spring. There are more stories about this guy, but they are for another day. He is a walking comedy of errors. Even when he bought a v-drive shovel nose he still didn't get much smarter. Hell he may even lurk here, if he does he knows this is about him.

Brian

That is some funny $hit there, but I've known people like that and you gotta wonder sometimes how they make it thru life, LOL..:D

[RiverRacer]

My problem with a push to open setup is...I have seen guys bend their cable ends. Now, I know, this is because they do not have their stop (on the pedal) adjusted properly. Hell, that would take two minutes to do. LOL Also, with springs on both sides of the butterflies, it can be a decent amount of pressure to push. Pull will never break a cable.
Paul...car guys push or pull. Maybe I am just trying to reinvent the wheel.
Wags

Yeah, without a stop that's a sure way of breaking things alright, but you can do the same on a pull also, either way works as long as it's setup "right" to the application!..

[gfinishline]

Brad, no. Just get a piece of aluminum strap material and bend one up. Most of the "racing rules" that I've seen, call for a "positive WOT stop" on the foot control and at least one return spring on the linkage at the motor. With a 'hat' I would PULL, because I want a great deal of spring pressure closing the throttle plates (all the way closed) and 'pushing' a 33C cable against any great resistance causes the inner cable to "buckle" and bind up the travel. (often in the shut down area)

[RiverRacer]

Hey Brad, did you have this setup when I drove it????..:confused:

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=197&d=1208724906

[RiverRacer]

Brad, no. Just get a piece of aluminum strap material and bend one up. Most of the "racing rules" that I've seen, call for a "positive WOT stop" on the foot control and at least one return spring on the linkage at the motor. With a 'hat' I would PULL, because I want a great deal of spring pressure closing the throttle plates (all the way closed) and 'pushing' a 33C cable against any great resistance causes the inner cable to "buckle" and bind up the travel. (often in the shut down area)

Hey George, dumb question but how can the cable buckle inside the jacket??, lot a K boats have double springs and they're on and off the throttle for 5 miles no problem!.. Must be brain fart because I don't get it!..:confused:

[gfinishline]

Well, the outer casing is one length and the inner (single strand) is longer. (it's travel) When mounted the cable is very rarely secured and held in place. Often it gets a 'kink' or tight bend OR TWO, going from the pedal to the motor. When too much pressure is applied and equally resisted at both ends, it kinks, binds or breaks. Back when many V-drives were covered and had remote shifters, guys would use ONE 33C cable to 'push and pull' in and out of gear. I saw what the problem was and built levers and arms to mount 2, 33C cables from a Morse handle to V-drive. Top and bottom mounting of cables insured no failures, because one would 'pull' into gear, and the other would 'pull' out of gear. Art, all of the cable mfg's have been improving and basicly making the center (moving part) cable thicker over the past 15 years. Why? Because they don't fail? All it takes is a little wear inside the casing, around a tight turn... and now the inside cable has room to 'get a little angle' and BANG it's bent, kinked or broken. I had 4 of every size 33C cable from 8' to 25' in stock all the time. Some times I paid my rent off of just the sales of 8' to 16' 33C cables. Most were broken or stuck throttle cables, not rusted, not split, but just "hard to move" or broken off. You guys that MIG weld know that the wire can and does "kink" inside the 'stinger hose' when things are 'not quite right' , well it happens inside 33C cables too. That throttle, shaft, sleeve, foot control (in the photo) is Finish Line stuff, and it can be installed to "push or pull". We all know that most custom boat foot throttles push, but most outboard and I/O's PULL, WHY? Hell duct tape will last 5 miles, even racing! HA HA!

[FC-Pilot]

Wags, we have had both push and pull setups. Our last car, and the current one we are building both have pull setups. After hearing some of the info and experiences given I would personally try and go for a pull in the next boat.

Paul

[BradP]

Hey Brad, did you have this setup when I drove it????..:confused:

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=197&d=1208724906

Yes, it's ben that way since I first fixed it.
There is a return spring on the hat too.

[RiverRacer]

Yes, it's ben that way since I first fixed it.
There is a return spring on the hat too.

Well, guess it works huh!.:D

[RiverRacer]

Well, the outer casing is one length and the inner (single strand) is longer. (it's travel) When mounted the cable is very rarely secured and held in place. Often it gets a 'kink' or tight bend OR TWO, going from the pedal to the motor. When too much pressure is applied and equally resisted at both ends, it kinks, binds or breaks. Back when many V-drives were covered and had remote shifters, guys would use ONE 33C cable to 'push and pull' in and out of gear. I saw what the problem was and built levers and arms to mount 2, 33C cables from a Morse handle to V-drive. Top and bottom mounting of cables insured no failures, because one would 'pull' into gear, and the other would 'pull' out of gear. Art, all of the cable mfg's have been improving and basicly making the center (moving part) cable thicker over the past 15 years. Why? Because they don't fail? All it takes is a little wear inside the casing, around a tight turn... and now the inside cable has room to 'get a little angle' and BANG it's bent, kinked or broken. I had 4 of every size 33C cable from 8' to 25' in stock all the time. Some times I paid my rent off of just the sales of 8' to 16' 33C cables. Most were broken or stuck throttle cables, not rusted, not split, but just "hard to move" or broken off. You guys that MIG weld know that the wire can and does "kink" inside the 'stinger hose' when things are 'not quite right' , well it happens inside 33C cables too. That throttle, shaft, sleeve, foot control (in the photo) is Finish Line stuff, and it can be installed to "push or pull". We all know that most custom boat foot throttles push, but most outboard and I/O's PULL, WHY? Hell duct tape will last 5 miles, even racing! HA HA!

Well, personally I see that as abusing the product, just like anything else using it beyond it's limitations will fail. That is the fault of the installer not the cable, when installed "correctly" there is no reason for a cable to bend/bind or kink. As far as pull being better, I've seen a lot of them break in cars with aftermarket shifters(in a straight line), they'd pull the ends right off!. I just can't see where there would be a difference in push/pull on a throttle with a couple of springs if installed "correctly" with proper "stops"!..

[Flatmvn]

Yes, it's ben that way since I first fixed it.
There is a return spring on the hat too.

Hey Art, all those return springs must be why Brad can't open the throttle plates, I get it now. ;):D:D:D

Louis

[RiverRacer]

Hey Art, all those return springs must be why Brad can't open the throttle plates, I get it now. ;):D:D

Louis

That's a very good poassability there!..:D

[BradP]

Everybody's a fuggin comedian.:mad::p:D

[RiverRacer]

Everybody's a fuggin comedian.:mad::p:D

Hee hawwww!...:D

[Flatmvn]

Wags,

I was flipping trough REX Marine and they sell pull throttle peddles.

Here is the link.

http://www.rexmar.com/page111.html


Louis

[BradP]

Wags,

I was flipping trough REX Marine and they sell pull throttle peddles.

Here is the link.

http://www.rexmar.com/page111.html


Louis


Art has one of those, I gave it to him about three years ago.:D

[Norseman]

Everybody's a fuggin comedian.:mad::p:D

Brad;

Just paint the butterfly's black. Then they won't be able to pick on you!

Bob

[BradP]

Brad;

Just paint the butterfly's black. Then they won't be able to pick on you!

Bob

They can't really see them anyway, they're always behind me.:p

[RiverRacer]

They can't really see them anyway, they're always behind me.:p

I think you mean that we're in front and not looking back, right!..:D:D

[RiverRacer]

Art has one of those, I gave it to him about three years ago.:D

Brad, the one you gave me is a stringer mount push type, looks like a Glenwood??..

[Norseman]

I think you mean that we're in front and not looking back, right!..:D:D


Brad;

That must have been when you were going to lap him again!!:D:D

Bob

[BradP]

Brad;

That must have been when you were going to lap him again!!:D:D

Bob



Like they were standing still.:D

[Flatmvn]

I think you mean that we're in front and not looking back, right!..:D:D

We were looking at them as we went by you, and yes we couldn't see the because we were so far ahead of you.:p:D

[RiverRacer]

Like they were standing still.:D

LMFAO!...:D:D:D

[RiverRacer]

We were looking at them as we went by you, and yes we couldn't see the because we were so far ahead of you.:p:D

And that was running in the $hit water down the middle, not the pussy shoreline water!..:D:D

[BradP]

And that was running in the $hit water down the middle, not the pussy shoreline water


Handicap Art, handicap.:p:D:D
Besides the middle of the river is where you want to run, not where yopu get the wake backlash and lake lice trying to pick you off.

Losi is going to have the blown hemi Dimarco runner there this year. Who's the shoe?

[RiverRacer]

Handicap Art, handicap.:D
Besides the middle of the river is where you want to run, not where yopu get the wake backlash and lake lice trying to pick you off.

Losi is going to have the blown hemi Dimarco runner there this year. Who's the shoe?

Well now, this could get real nasty here, don't make me quote a comment from your passenger as he was falling, oops never mind!..:D:D

Well, hope he gets it there this time and don't have problems, ain't he gonna drive it??.. Is he bringing the cruiser?, I wouldn't mind going for a ride in that!..:cool:

[BradP]

Well now, this could get real nasty here, don't make me quote a comment from your passenger as he was falling, oops never mind!..:D:D

HEY HEY HEY!!!!! What does a kid know anyway?

Well, hope he gets it there this time and don't have problems, ain't he gonna drive it??.. Is he bringing the cruiser?, I wouldn't mind going for a ride in that!..:cool:


I will make sure he has both there!


The Dimarco is as cool as the cruiser, KB iron block, 671. It's on the carbs though so you won't think much of it.:D

The Walrus should be with us.

[RiverRacer]

I will make sure he has both there!


The Dimarco is as cool as the cruiser, KB iron block, 671. It's on the carbs though so you won't think much of it.:D

The Walrus should be with us.

Hmmmm, "HEY HEY HEY!!!!! What does a kid know anyway?" more than you might think, LOL...:D

Yeah I seen it before it's badass alright, even with the cccarbejemators!..:D

Looking forward to BS'n with the Walrus again too!..:cool: