looking for an algon

[poncho]

i would like to get hold of an algon shaft release,we had a thread going back in the fall and one of the members had one and wasnt sure at the time if he was going to use it dont remember who it was,found one at a marine store in cali but they want $500.00 the ones ive seen have all been in the $150.00 to $300.00 range.I`m at the point where find an algon or order a new 7-bolt shaft coupler to replace my 4-bolt thats junk

[RiverRacer]

How fast are you planning on going with this boat??..

[poncho]

Art i believe i`m around 600hp with NOS so no idea but the boat has run in the 80`s in the past with a little less hp

[poncho]

12.5 to 1 468 with heavily worked 990 heads edelbrock tr2x with two hp750`s and plate NOS,23 gears in the box and 2 blade 11.5x15 stellings,oh the cam is a big crane solid forget the numbers,crane roller rockers with rev kit

[Flatmvn]

I am going to take a stab at this and say that I don't think that the algon release is the way you want to go. I think they were designed for about 400 hp max from what I have read and heard. If I am wrong I am sure Art will correct me. With the combo you have I myself would install a Whirlaway on the V-drive and not take any chances.

Louis

[poncho]

Louis,problem is i have a toploader and the Algon is my only option at this point with what ive spent already i`m not gonna drop the coin for a split case,if i were to do that i would hack the bottom for a 8 degree box,just dont see the value in that,the boat is a family heirloom that i`m trying to make the most of

[hm66Howard]

i would like to get hold of an algon shaft release,we had a thread going back in the fall and one of the members had one and wasnt sure at the time if he was going to use it dont remember who it was,found one at a marine store in cali but they want $500.00 the ones ive seen have all been in the $150.00 to $300.00 range.I`m at the point where find an algon or order a new 7-bolt shaft coupler to replace my 4-bolt thats junkHey Poncho, that was me. The guy originally said he wanted a $100.00 for the thing then when I went to get it, he changed his tune saying someone offered him $300.00. I didn't feel it was worth it. I will be putting that money towards a Whirlaway unless another Algon comes up for cheap. :)

[poncho]

Mr howard thanks for getting back,i was using my right foot to kick my left foots ass if i remember correctly it wasnt for sale

[RiverRacer]

12.5 to 1 468 with heavily worked 990 heads edelbrock tr2x with two hp750`s and plate NOS,23 gears in the box and 2 blade 11.5x15 stellings,oh the cam is a big crane solid forget the numbers,crane roller rockers with rev kit

Ok, wasn't sure what you were running, yep you need a a prop release for sure!..:D

[RiverRacer]

I am going to take a stab at this and say that I don't think that the algon release is the way you want to go. I think they were designed for about 400 hp max from what I have read and heard. If I am wrong I am sure Art will correct me. With the combo you have I myself would install a Whirlaway on the V-drive and not take any chances.

Louis

Louis, back in the day the SS guys ran them with 500hp no problem, the drawback on them is that they are not sealed and just like wheel bearings a drop of water is rust and that means it galls and you know the drill..... Every time you put the boat away it should be taken apart and checked for water!.. As long as they are maintained they will do the job, in his case that would be the way to go at this time if he can get a good one!..

[Flatmvn]

I agree now that I understand the whole situation, have to have all the facts to make correct assesments.

Louis

[poncho]

Hey Louis no problem,thats the point of a post in a public forum this is how we learn v-drives have taught me i dont know everything damn things can humble you usually with an audience,LOL

[poncho]

HM66HOWARD,any chance the guy still has it and would take a realistic amount for it now i really want to find one just dont feel i need to spend $500.00 and thanks for fixing my memory

[poncho]

Bump,still loking?

[hm66Howard]

HM66HOWARD,any chance the guy still has it and would take a realistic amount for it now i really want to find one just dont feel i need to spend $500.00 and thanks for fixing my memoryHe probably still has it. I offered him $200.00 cash but, he kept comparing it to a Whirlaway in value. Which it's not. He was being real jerky about it saying "Well, it can just sit here then." I feel it's a lost cause.

[FC-Pilot]

I have to say that the prop release that J.J. makes is worth the six hundred (I think) bucks. Not only do you get a great piece, but he is great to work with. He has spent who knows how long on the phone with me, so I am sure he would do the same for you if you had any questions installing it. With his stuff you don't need to worry about it like you do the algon (not saying the algon is a piece of crap, you just have to take good care of it). Knowing what I know now, if I were in your shoes and funds were tight I would save my pennies and hold out for J.J.'s deal.

Paul

[poncho]

Is JJ`s release IHBA legal just curious no plans to go racing just thinking if i can get a safe set out of this thing might go play in a neighboring state

[FC-Pilot]

I know J.J. has a number of his units at the races including in pro mod boats. His units look and work just like the casale unit. I have also received great assistance from Dan Aaseth also if you were to go with a casale unit. Dan is great, but still has to deal through casale as he sells their products where J.J. makes his own. I know Art has used J.J.s parts before as we also have.

Paul

As a side note Dan sells a number of parts at great prices.

[Mr. V-Driver]

The Casale Swirlaway prop release is only $599.95 and We have made them for The OLD STYLe ToP Loaders as well as the split cases!!!

All race sanctions legal.

Stay tuned
for Pictures!!! :D

[FC-Pilot]

The Casale Swirlaway prop release is only $599.95 and We have made them for The OLD STYLe ToP Loaders as well as the split cases!!!

All race sanctions legal.

Stay tuned
for Pictures!!! :D

This is one of the options that is available through Dan Aaseth (as well as others) if you wanted to use parts from casale.

Paul

[poncho]

thanks everyone for the info,i didn't want to spend that much right now so i have a decision to make the whole Algon idea was cheap but it goes back to you get what you pay for and weather i would be throwing in a part that would end up getting replaced anyway

[RiverRacer]

Might consider taming the motor down to keep the speed down and just go out and have fun with this boat and save the money for a hot rod down the road!..

[poncho]

Art,between purchase price,driving to Seattle and back made a mini vaca out of it ($4500.00) and dropping $3000.00 on a stringer (not expected) there is way too much money into this thing for what i have.The stringer money was going to build a mild bbc,tired of the 12.5to1 fuel issue in a non race boat so from this point i just wanna throw some labor at it and play,every fastener is being changed to stainless as i go back together which is a nickel and dime drain also.I have the money just cant justify any more expense with only 2 or 3 rides so far maybe after a summer or two of fun i`d feel better about more money going into it

[RiverRacer]

It's all money and it seems like it never ends!..

[hm66Howard]

Art,between purchase price,driving to Seattle and back made a mini vaca out of it ($4500.00) and dropping $3000.00 on a stringer (not expected) there is way too much money into this thing for what i have.The stringer money was going to build a mild bbc,tired of the 12.5to1 fuel issue in a non race boat so from this point i just wanna throw some labor at it and play,every fastener is being changed to stainless as i go back together which is a nickel and dime drain also.I have the money just cant justify any more expense with only 2 or 3 rides so far maybe after a summer or two of fun i`d feel better about more money going into itThose stainless fasteners will milk you dry! I found a surplus store in Sac. (Blue Collar Salvage) that sells the stuff by the pound. Allens, nylocks, washers, everything. I did my Howard very cheaply that way. Call around your area and see what you can find. ;)

[shooter2]

Art,between purchase price,driving to Seattle and back made a mini vaca out of it ($4500.00) and dropping $3000.00 on a stringer (not expected) there is way too much money into this thing for what i have.The stringer money was going to build a mild bbc,tired of the 12.5to1 fuel issue in a non race boat so from this point i just wanna throw some labor at it and play,every fastener is being changed to stainless as i go back together which is a nickel and dime drain also.I have the money just cant justify any more expense with only 2 or 3 rides so far maybe after a summer or two of fun i`d feel better about more money going into it


It the nickel and dime stuff that seems to kill when putting a boat together. Many trips to the fastener store, many different lengths, AN washers, nyloks. When I got my boat it was a hoge poge of fasteners. Over the years I finally got them all changed over to what I wanted. Then rebuilt the boat and did it all over again when the new hardware was installed. The one thing that I did was just bought a few different lengths of 5/16 and 3/8 bolts in just regular steel as I was putting it together. Then every time I installed another peice I figured out what I needed for a ss fastener and then went and got it, made it so I didn't buy too much stuff wrong. Also had an account at the fastener place as well so it wasnt such a pain to go buy 5 or so of anything.

[poncho]

Art,Howard and Shooter thanks for responding to my just crybaby post,I bought this boat from someone like family under the impression it was turn key and it`s turned out to be anything but,I realize now that it was run for many years and we had had lotsa fun but the truth is the time and money went into paint and motor,i`m just real frustrated right now.I did some paint work today on the inside and hope to start putting things back together in the next couple of days.The hardware going back in is no bargain but i live in a small New England town and i`m just happy when they have it,dont have the time for mail order and dont really know what i need till the time comes,some of the bolts were too long and some too short etc.

[shooter2]

If I can figure out how to use a scanner I have some pics of my rebuild. Sad and stupid part is I have no pics of the hardware after I did it. But I will get them. Maybe these pics can make you feel better and that most of us have gone through it. I started my rebuild around Dec 1'99. Got the boat back Feb 1'00, finished it about 6 hrs before towing it to Valleyfield for its first race in 00. It was also butt ugly at that point as it was unpainted. Capping was white, boat was blue, black ,and yellow. So we have been there before and know the frustration, but not to worry all these feelings will disappear at the start of your next ride.

Brian

[poncho]

Damn Shooter i`m trying to be mad at myself and you go and point out reality,i like to think i`m smart enough to not be taken but i`m feeling that way now,I will put it back together how i think things should be but i`m still smartin

[RiverRacer]

Those stainless fasteners will milk you dry! I found a surplus store in Sac. (Blue Collar Salvage) that sells the stuff by the pound. Allens, nylocks, washers, everything. I did my Howard very cheaply that way. Call around your area and see what you can find. ;)

I learned the hard way about those surplus places, you gotta watch the grade of bolts they carry, remember "you get what you pay for". Most of that stuff is weak and good for general duty stuff, but for anything structural better check the grade of material!..

[RiverRacer]

Damn Shooter i`m trying to be mad at myself and you go and point out reality,i like to think i`m smart enough to not be taken but i`m feeling that way now,I will put it back together how i think things should be but i`m still smartin

We've all been down that road before!..:(

[hm66Howard]

I learned the hard way about those surplus places, you gotta watch the grade of bolts they carry, remember "you get what you pay for". Most of that stuff is weak and good for general duty stuff, but for anything structural better check the grade of material!..Very good point Art I failed to mention. None of those bolts got anywhere near my steering system or driveline mounting. Only grade 8 there. :)

[RiverRacer]

Very good point Art I failed to mention. None of those bolts got anywhere near my steering system or driveline mounting. Only grade 8 there. :)

Well, I kinda figured you knew that, be surprised at how many that don't know that!..:D

[LeadSledMerc]

It the nickel and dime stuff that seems to kill when putting a boat together. Many trips to the fastener store, many different lengths, AN washers, nyloks. When I got my boat it was a hoge poge of fasteners. Over the years I finally got them all changed over to what I wanted. Then rebuilt the boat and did it all over again when the new hardware was installed. The one thing that I did was just bought a few different lengths of 5/16 and 3/8 bolts in just regular steel as I was putting it together. Then every time I installed another peice I figured out what I needed for a ss fastener and then went and got it, made it so I didn't buy too much stuff wrong. Also had an account at the fastener place as well so it wasnt such a pain to go buy 5 or so of anything.
That's the exact same way I have replaced all of my nuts and bolts in my rebuild I'm just finishing up. I'd size up the bolts for one or two components at a time and hit the hardware store. That way it's only a $50 dollar hit at a time...but they sure add up.

[hm66Howard]

I learned the hard way about those surplus places, you gotta watch the grade of bolts they carry, remember "you get what you pay for". Most of that stuff is weak and good for general duty stuff, but for anything structural better check the grade of material!..Yeah, the cheap stuff galls real easily to. Use lots of lube during assembly. ;)

[poncho]

Oh man dont i know it,had a nut gall one thread from tight tonight on the down pedal outside mount under the dash against the side of the bolt no room for leverage bars or a cut off tool,what a pisser!

[RiverRacer]

Oh man dont i know it,had a nut gall one thread from tight tonight on the down pedal outside mount under the dash against the side of the bolt no room for leverage bars or a cut off tool,what a pisser!

Anytime you use stainless against stainless you have to lube the threads or it will grab when you try and take it off, I use a dab of moly grease only need it one time, same applies with AN fittings anno against anno does the same thing!..

[poncho]

The one time i got in a hurry i got bit,mounted the cav controls,gas pedal and finish the night with the down pedal last fricken bolt and yep went dry,OUCH

[RiverRacer]

The one time i got in a hurry i got bit,mounted the cav controls,gas pedal and finish the night with the down pedal last fricken bolt and yep went dry,OUCH

Hey, I can relate been there done that!..:D

[ls6vdrive]

The Casale Swirlaway prop release is only $599.95 and We have made them for The OLD STYLe ToP Loaders as well as the split cases!!!

All race sanctions legal.

Stay tuned
for Pictures!!! :D

I want a picture:D

[hm66Howard]

What's the HP limit on the Swirlaway?

[RiverRacer]

Good question!.:D

[Mr. V-Driver]

I want a picture:D


Sure thang go to http://casalev-drive.com and check it out! ;)