Wannabe & F/C pilot

[rocket98]

Do you have the new boat that you have been on for ever actually on the water. I saw the pic on the other site. Is this new ........How does the small block run........How does it handle.......any speed numbers......Questions Questions

[Flatmvn]

Look in the September thread there is talk about it in there and yes they have had it on the water twice.

Louis

[FC-Pilot]

YES! It is official, we have put the little small block boat on the water. Our first outing was a quick "end of the day" run to the lake and we had a few little issues. We had a fuel and ignition issue. Having no fuel or spark makes it hard to dial in the setup, so we took our toy home and regrouped. After addressing those two issues we took it back out this morning and had a better experience. The boat still needs some work as it will not yet take a set, but I did squeak it into the eighties (and I mean SQUEAK:eek:). If we can get the boat to sit down and run then I am sure we will be able to pull more out of this thing. It is a little twitchy right now, but I think it will settle down once we find the sweet spot. It sure does like to turn though.

We figured we will beautify this thing after it has proven to us that it will work. Being that this setup is a little unique we decided to leave the beauty work after it proved itself. That way, if we need to change a bunch of stuff we won’t have to throw away really nice hardware.

I got some pictures of Buzzz driving also, but I don't know the link to them so I did not post them. I will try to get some of them up tomorrow. It sure was exciting running a boat that we built completely ourselves.

http://www.wannaberacing.net/silver80-6.jpg
I like this shot of the boat running right next to a buoy that says "slow, no wake".
http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverpaulwake.jpg
http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverpaulback.jpg

[Norseman]

Paul;

It looks really good!!

I sure you'll get it dialed in pretty quick!

Maybe if you ask him, Art, will come out and help you dial it in. Isn't he pretty close to you and Buzzz?

Bob

[poncho]

looks nice on the water

[Stickman]

Long time since I've seen an ERR - nice

[E-boat racer]

Buzzz & Paul,
Congrats on a job well done. It takes a lot more time than
you originally budgeted but the end result looks terrific.
I don't think you will get the SET without some prop experimenting.
The brute horsepower and torque of the larger big blocks forces
the boat to lay down. You will have to trick it into behaving properly.
Welcome to our demented group. This gives us 6 boats nationally.
It's a start.
Regards,
Rotten Rob

[rocket98]

Looks really good keep us posted and post more pic's:D

[RiverRacer]

Paul;

It looks really good!!

I sure you'll get it dialed in pretty quick!

Maybe if you ask him, Art, will come out and help you dial it in. Isn't he pretty close to you and Buzzz?

Bob

About an hour or so away!.:D

[FC-Pilot]

It will probably take some plate and prop tuning to get it where it needs to be. Two things we know little about. We did talk to Dallas of Menkens props and he said he would go to the lake with us and would even work props on site to get what we need. I am sure that would not be cheap, but being that this is a unique deal it may be what is needed.

It is funny, neither Buzzz nor I would have believed it ran 80 had we not had a GPS with us.:eek: That thing paid for itself that day.:cool:

Paul

[FC-Pilot]

About an hour or so away!.:D

And that is will no trafic too.:eek:

Paul

[Wannabe]

What, you mean a propeller built for and run on old Scotty Steele K-boats is not the perfect propeller for a 338 ci. pump gas small block?

In speaking with prop manufacturers, we were told that we would need diameter as the small block would not have the torque to get the nose out of the water. Way more diameter than a superstock prop or the like. Oh baby, the nose out of the water is not the problem with this boat. Keeping the nose close to the water is the bigger problem. So we may have too much diameter now. But in doing what they said would be the hard part first time out sure puts a smile on my face. Finding the right prop will be a little tough, but will make some fun in getting it there.
I really love doing things that some of the big fellas tell us could not be done. And I beleve we are more than halfway there.
http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverbuzzzstand.jpg

[PE 316]

Buzzz & Paul,

CONGRATULATIONS on getting the little boat wet and running!!
I'm sure you'll have that thing figured out in no time flat.

Mike

[PE 316]

Buzzz & Paul,

The boat looks good on the water.
CONGRATULATIONS on getting the little boat wet and running!!
I'm sure you'll have that thing figured out in no time flat.

Mike

P.S. - What is the "skinny, little, black, thingey" above the fuel tank.
------ (I ain't never seen no "breather" like that one)

[Wannabe]

We have learned by sad experience to take things out of the equation for breaking in a new car or boat. Fuel tank vents have been issues with us before. We have two 6an lines converging on a single filter aiming straight up so fuel venting cannot be an issue. We will streamilne a few things later. That will be one. One of many little cheater ways to eliminate problems.
http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverbuzzzback.jpg

[Flatmvn]

I like this shot of the boat running right next to a buoy that says "slow, no wake".

http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverpaulwake.jpg


ARIZONA REBELS

Gotta Luv'm:cool::cool::D


Louis

[SnoC653]

http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverpaulwake.jpg


ARIZONA REBELS

Gotta Luv'm:cool::cool::D


Louis

What, it's a flat there's no wake to speak of

[Wannabe]

Well, if you are into that kind of thing, then you may like this one;
http://www.wannaberacing.net/silverwake.jpg

[ssmike]

Congrats, it looks like you guys getting it done!:D

[Roaddogg 4040]

Love the Silver Paint guys... Looks great...

Steve

[FC-Pilot]

Love the Silver Paint guys... Looks great...

Steve

The silver paint hides a MULTITUDE of sins.;)

Thank you for all the compliments everybody. It helps us feel good about the progress we have made thus far. It still has a ways to go, but at least you can see progress.

Paul

[E-boat racer]

Paul,
What gear ratio are you running? What size prop?
AND the big question. What RPM's did Little Henry
turn on your best run? This will be good base line
data for all of us SBC lovers.
Thanks,

Rotten Rob

[Terrible toy]

The silver paint hides a MULTITUDE of sins.;)

Thank you for all the compliments everybody. It helps us feel good about the progress we have made thus far. It still has a ways to go, but at least you can see progress.

Paul

Hey Paul,
Wonder how this 338 would run in your bitchen little flat??

[FC-Pilot]

Rob, We have 12% gears in the box right now. We thought about running 15%, but after talking with Dallas at Menkens Props he said that the issue with our boat would be getting the nose out of the water so a bigger diameter prop would be necessary. We have a few props to play with right now, but they are all a little big. Two of them are Menkens K-boat props and the third is a Ron Hill. We only had time to test two props on Tuesday. We tested the Ron Hill and one of the Menkens. They both let the engine spin to about 6100 RPM's. After running it we quickly learned that keeping the nose of the boat dry will not be the issue. I am sure we could run a little smaller of a prop and still keep the nose dry. We had to use a bunch of plate to keep it from wanting to fly away. Before we start cutting on props we are going to spend a day playing with plate adjustments and see just what we can find there. From here on out we need to find out what the heck we are doing with boats. We did have a good time abusing that little boat the other day. I beat on that thing like a rented mule for quite a while with the first prop, then I put a good five to six laps on the second prop before handing the boat over to Buzzz. He had not driven it yet so I did not want to break it before he got to drive it. Anyway, that is where we are at right now with this thing.

Paul

[FC-Pilot]

Hey Paul,
Wonder how this 338 would run in your bitchen little flat??

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=77&d=1207328216

Sure, bring that thing on over and we will give it a whirl. That is a nice little piece there. I take it that is a comp motor? Few classes would put stuff like that together. I can tell that there are a few bucks in that baby. Splayed valve small block stuff is hard core.

Paul

[E-boat racer]

Paul,
In discussing props with Greg Barker, he said they were going to
use the same prop size that they ran 40 years ago on their
Patterson E racing runabout. It had a Dodge 246" V-8 on methanol
and ran right at 100 mph at 7000 with 20+ gears. He is planning on
using the 10 1/2" x 14 1/2" on the E-9, E-Revival Lavey with the
350 crate Chevy. At the APBA meeting in Detroit, Ron Hill told me
that I should use a 10 1/2 or 10 3/4 to bring the nose of my boat
down. He said that the GN 305 was squirrelly until they reduced
the diameter. Lots of different opinions. My first E Racing runabout
back in the dark ages ran a 9 1/4 x 14 with 24 gears.

Rotten Rob

[Terrible toy]

http://www.v-driveboat.com/vweb/attachment.php?attachmentid=77&d=1207328216

Sure, bring that thing on over and we will give it a whirl. That is a nice little piece there. I take it that is a comp motor? Few classes would put stuff like that together. I can tell that there are a few bucks in that baby. Splayed valve small block stuff is hard core.

Paul

At this point in time it might make more sense to run it in your boat. The B/AA index is whacked big time and NHRA changes requirements faster then I can keep up. Like wanting an engine diaper that I have no idea how to get it to fit around all the pumps and plumbing.

I've been putting this thing together for two years now and just dynoed it a month ago. That was a disaster, on the second pull two lash adjuster nuts came loose (still don't know why) and knocked the keepers out. Those valves tagged the pistons and one broke a head off and stuffed it into the port. The head is just back so will screw it together again.

The engine showed some promise. It made 750 hp @ 8600 and 486 ft.lbs @ 6600. On the second pull (with timing and jetting changes) it made 518 ft.lbs. @ 6600 and then started to go away. I figure it would have made over 800 hp if it hadn't quit. Not too bad, it has a small cam in it which shows in the rpm it made power at. (I've always tended to start small with cam timing)

Last year that kind of power would have been very competitive, now this things going to have to make close to 900 hp. The heads flow 370 @ .800 lift and 28 inches, I don't think that's enough flow to make that kind of power. May turn out to be a very expensive bracket car.

[FC-Pilot]

OUCH! I hate breaking stuff. I spend too much time and money making sure everything is perfect to break things. We burned up a set of pistons on our last FC engine and I was upset. We had a barrel valve machined wrong and so it cut off the fuel when fully opened. From now on everything is going on the dyno first. We would have seen the issue on the dyno and eventually would have found it.

Paul

[Terrible toy]

Know what you mean about breaking stuff. Besides a drag car crash years ago, where I lost the whole thing, I've only lost one motor. It was a 468 in a hydro that lost air pressure to the B&J two speed and it shifted back to low just before the lights.

I do like your boat, it reminds me a lot of a silver gray Sanger I used to see on the Kings River near Fresno. It also had a small block and the combo made a super sano package.

[Roaddogg 4040]

Paul/Buzz... Are you guys going to bring that boat over here to Havasu anytime before I have to leave for Michigan??? I would love to see it in person... We do have some really good water right near my shop and I have tons of parking...:D:D

Steve

[RiverRacer]

Rob, We have 12% gears in the box right now. We thought about running 15%, but after talking with Dallas at Menkens Props he said that the issue with our boat would be getting the nose out of the water so a bigger diameter prop would be necessary. We have a few props to play with right now, but they are all a little big. Two of them are Menkens K-boat props and the third is a Ron Hill. We only had time to test two props on Tuesday. We tested the Ron Hill and one of the Menkens. They both let the engine spin to about 6100 RPM's. After running it we quickly learned that keeping the nose of the boat dry will not be the issue. I am sure we could run a little smaller of a prop and still keep the nose dry. We had to use a bunch of plate to keep it from wanting to fly away. Before we start cutting on props we are going to spend a day playing with plate adjustments and see just what we can find there. From here on out we need to find out what the heck we are doing with boats. We did have a good time abusing that little boat the other day. I beat on that thing like a rented mule for quite a while with the first prop, then I put a good five to six laps on the second prop before handing the boat over to Buzzz. He had not driven it yet so I did not want to break it before he got to drive it. Anyway, that is where we are at right now with this thing.

Paul

You got to be kiddin here!..:eek::eek:

[FC-Pilot]

You got to be kiddin here!..:eek::eek:

It is not April first Art. Although we did run it on April first we have decided to tell the truth. What part does not add up?

Paul